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The thing a lot of people miss is that the whole suicidal spiteful blaze of glory is a regional thing. Not a Muslim thing.
Read up on the Siege of Masada, it’s an important local story.
It was more apparent when there were a bunch of paramilitaries before they crystallized into Israel.
Israel also regularly assassinates summarily people in foreign countries who kill it’s citizens. Look up the Munich Olympics in the 1970s. https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4509923,00.html side note this motherfucker was one of the most pro peace politicians to head up the government in the modern era after Rabin.
Also the capability thing is that the Israeli population is tiny compared to its neighbors. It whoops ass historically, everyone having training and a cause to fight for does that, but the threat is always there of just storming the country with bodies.
Ukraine gave up their nukes in what is going down in history as one of the stupidest decisions a government has ever made.
If Israel falls the entire region gets glassed by nukes. They are suspected to have nearly as many as China. They are a world leader in missile tech. They won’t miss.
It’s called the Samson Plan. Russia has a similar doctrine, as probably does most nuclear powers.
Defending them via aid which, in the current war, is $1-2 billion dollars in defensive interceptor missiles already, is a good investment. Biden literally said it was the best investment America makes during his speech a little while ago. He’s said that before in the 90s if I recall correctly, back when he was the senate foreign relations guy.
Israel is also a giant weapons rnd and live fire experiment for the US military industrial complex. They aren’t giving it up. Israel is the first country to deploy laser weaponry in their defense (light knife), and in this war is live testing the state of the art Iron Beam (Light Shield).
This is the real Politik people miss when discussing Israel and Palestine ignorant of most of the historical context.
The entire region has tried to delete Israel before. The state isn’t going anywhere without taking everyone else with them.
They’ve been shooting for almost a month.
This is how things go in the neighborhood.
Also nice name.
WP is allowed for artillery range finding and is the US procedure as well.
That’s what’s it’s been used for. In Lebanon most of the wounded civilians got sent home the same day because Hezbollah doesn’t do the human shield shit to the same genocidal intent.
The Rome treaty you are thinking of Israel is not a party to BTW. Same as the USA.
The kind that has a degree from a top university in engineering.
It’s called checking the down vote history which is public if you run a federated instance.
Or how certain instances you frequent ban people for posting facts.
Says the westerner to a Palestinian.
It’s a lot more than just smuggling in food.
Right now there’s videos being shared on Arabic news of Hamas gunning down their own people in the Evac corridor. The IDF is trying to clear the actual genocidal religious nut jobs out under fire. To save civilian lives.
Do I need to also remind you Hamas uses child soldiers? That half the dead kids in the 2019 protests were indoctrinated and martyring themselves?
That their fucking leaders called for my brother and sister’s blood to flow?
The IDF has been restrained and you are all blind. You don’t live there. You never will. Go read about the bombings of Germany and Japan and come back to me.
I popped off at the now removed comment under my other reply so this isn’t directed at you, but thought I would repost it so other people could see it. It is incredibly demeaning, infantilizing, and insulting how westerners and lefties from the rest of the global south twist this conflict and the historical context around it. My mother is actually an Afro-Cuban refugee with a family with many members who fled the Castro regime for reasons other than being white American business people. He would jail them by the thousand, rape, and beat them. My Pale-fucking-stinian dad married my mom because she had a child, my brother, who no one was going to care for. Meanwhile lefties defend the Castro and modern regime on the basis of it improving literacy and Healthcare. My now orphaned reply follows:
I’m from the area. Family been there for 500+ years.
If Israel is an apartheid state so is the US, Canada, and every other Arab nation that allows cross borders workers under shit conditions. It’s especially bad in the gulf states, they steal passports from immigrants and turn them into modern day slaves.
The shit in the west bank is indeed bad and a new government needs to prosecute to the fullest extent anyone participating.
I’ve lived through this conflict my entire life.
When Black September happened the Jordanian army actually Indiscriminately shelled the Palestinian refugee camps killing so so many.
It’s ok I know all the keyboard warriors from the west only want to hear from “the right Palestinians”. I have stuff my dad gave me from the 1700s Ottoman Empire before he died. His grandfather got murdered for not being down with the cause of Arab nationalism post ww1 when they started killing the local jews and dissenters, not the European zionists, the people who were local community leaders for generations.
Turns out a lot of people on the left think the jihadist shit that hurts civilians is justified because their side is oppressed.
It’s disgusting and perpetuates the cycle of violence. Before the current war things were improving. Israelis were fighting hard to remove Netanyahu from power, including the military (air force) striking.
Edit: No one cares about the Israelis (Including the 20% Arab citizen pop) entering the west bank at the risk of being murdered to defend Olive picking workers from Israeli settlers and IDF clowns who disgrace their uniforms.
I’m from the area. Family been there for 500+ years.
If Israel is an apartheid state so is the US, Canada, and every other Arab nation that allows cross borders workers under shit conditions. It’s especially bad in the gulf states, they steal passports from immigrants and turn them into modern day slaves.
The shit in the west bank is indeed bad and a new government needs to prosecute to the fullest extent anyone participating.
I’ve lived through this conflict my entire life.
When Black September happened the Jordanian army actually Indiscriminately shelled the Palestinian refugee camps killing so so many.
Edit: It’s ok I know all the keyboard warriors from the west only want to hear from “the right Palestinians”. I have stuff my dad gave me from the 1700s Ottoman Empire before he died. His grandfather got murdered for not being down with the cause of Arab nationalism post ww1 when they started killing the local jews and dissenters, not the European zionists, the people who were local community leaders for generations.
I think the best thing to hope for is the complete removal of the governmental apparatus of Hamas and a 20 year (1+ generation) re-education campaign to “de-nazify” the civilian population. Japan and Germany are now staunch US allies despite a similar level of bombing and destruction. This should be coupled with extensive infrastructure build up to improve the life of the civilians in Gaza.
The first step there is unfortunately rooting out the governmental apparatus of the region…
I don’t actually care about votes it just shows how bitter some people are, and want to bury facts that conflict with whatever their entrenched position is to steer the conversation.
Believing there is a righteous cause side here (as in in Gaza) other than the actual civilians who don’t celebrate and materially support violence against other civilians is a fools errand. Also fuck settlers in the west bank and Netanyahu im not even touching that with a ten foot pole it’s just bad.
Unfortunately the situation had deteriorated to the point that Hamas is actively hurting their own people’s chances at a peaceful life directly. It’s just a tragedy.
Edit: lmfao at the salty loser who went through the entire comment history on this account and down voted every comment. That’s all you can do, along with raging online, you aren’t in the Levant. You’re not from there. We don’t care about your opinions.
Reposting.
Israel doesn’t operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don’t want to run a PoW camp.
Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn’t want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.
Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won’t face consequences.
Hamas executes collaborators regularly so you’re right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef this guy defected because he saw it when he was in an Israeli prison.
Yousef said he saw the light after a stint in an Israeli jail during the mid-1990s. At Megiddo Prison, he witnessed Hamas inmates leading a brutal year-long campaign to weed out supposed Israeli collaborators. “During that time, Hamas tortured and killed hundreds of prisoners,” he said, recalling vivid memories of needles being inserted under finger nails and bodies charred with burning plastics. Many, if not all, had nothing to do with Israeli intelligence. “I will never forget their screams,” he continued. “I started asking myself a question. What if Hamas succeeded in destroying Israel and building a state. Will they destroy our people in this way?”[11]
I won’t bother digging up the sources unless someone asks, but Israel notified the population of Gaza earlier in the war that their families would be relocated to safety (I. E. Given Israeli citizenship and a place to live) and given a financial reward if they snitched on Hamas in any way that materially helped the war goal of freeing the hostages. There’s probably thousands of collaborators there now.
Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won’t face consequences.
The active Astro turfing in this thread, and on lemmy in general, when facts conflict with a pro Hamas narrative is fucked up.
E: You guys are making it really obvious when 5 or more down votes are applied all at once.
Reposting.
Israel doesn’t operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don’t want to run a PoW camp.
Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn’t want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.
Doesn’t fit the persecution narrative.