The Original Post

I posted this in the other men’s issue spaces on reddit and thought I’d share this here, primarily for the purpose of getting new perspectives and I also have seen some feminist roaming around here too, and hope to catch their opinion. I’m also not use to posting on this site, let me know of any formating issues, and if the link doesn’t work this time, I’m not fixing it lol.

Main Points

  • Bonobos do in fact have a hierarchal system (men are not necesserily at the bottom of this hierarchy)
  • 95% of serious injuries are inflicted upon males by females
  • Bonobo females coerce males, and males express distress during submission
  • Bonobo female aggression is not retaliatory, it can be even over slight annoyances
  • infanticide does exist among bonobos, but it often perpetrated by females via kidnapping and alienating the infant from the mother
  • Dominant males sire 61% of offpsrings, in contrast to the highest recorded sire rate among chimps at 51%
  • Male dominance is based on the status of the mother, therefore high status mother = dominant son.
  • Dominant sons do coerce females, and their mothers will help them in coercing females resulting in a 71% success rate
  • And much like humans and chimps, bonobos express out-group male agression.

I’ll finish this post with an important message that I’ll copy over from the original, I’d recommend reading through the whole original on r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates under the same title:

As a side note, the inability for us to see any of this, is a clear indication of how misandry, the lack of empathy for men, and benevolent sexism within academia, inhibits our ability to understand humans and maybe even other primates. Giving us lovely articles like “is that man a bonobo or a chimp?” or the title “the absence of sexual coercion in bonobos” or here and here (these are linked in the orginal), in fact you can google scholar female bonobo sexual coercion of males and get the idea pretty fast.

Anyway, to me this is a really important tool for any MRA or men’s advocate who wants to debate feminist on female aggression and the severity of female aggression against males. With this, maybe we can get feminist to admit whether they are bonobos or egalitarians.

  • RandoCalrandian@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    Matriarchal societies treat males worse that patriarchal societies treat females or males, by a large margin.

    And we don’t live in a patriarchy