All available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties.

All available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties.

  • DarkGamer@kbin.socialOP
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    8 months ago

    What lies? Did you read the article? I’m curious on what grounds you refute it, citations welcome.

    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Second reply- you won’t get a balanced reply on lemmy. There is a known bias against Israel and a push to promoting one sided articles and arguements from the likes of MEE and democracynow.org. The ignorance is wilful and fixed, to the point Hamas war crimes are justified as “they have no choice”, regardless of the evidence.

        • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          Agree - no one in this thread is justifying Hamas (its actually a pretty well referenced thread TBH) but these arguements are ones I have noticed over a number of months rather than a specific thread. I don’t have 25 year experience but studied it at bachelor level.

          I do find it interesting your comment back jumps straight to number of kids. Please don’t take my step back and assess attitude for indifference - people die in war, especially those in high density urban environments where one side is a terrorist organization and the other attacks places that have lost protection. There is alot of shit wrong with this conflict, but by no means is Israel the only one causing it - you haven’t mentioned anything on how attacks are carried out on civilian structures because Hamas is using human shields either. You will argue civilian deaths are high - I fully agree because that is what happens in asymmetric and unconventional warfare.

    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Not OP but will bring up the point that while I agree, a number of actions are currently before the courts on proportionality, individual actions and justification of broader actions where evidence is yet to be provided. Thinking blocking of aid convoys where supplies are being taken by Hamas, multiple UN resolutions on justification of conflict but also been attacked, damage on civilian structures which Hamas has illegally garrisoned. With evidence these actions can be justified, but they are still being investigated (as they should).

      I unfortunately also fully believe there are a number of Israeli combatants that have absolutely committed war crimes, but also Hamas has committed crimes against humanity. One does not justify the other and I believe people of both sides should be tried accordingly.

      • DarkGamer@kbin.socialOP
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        8 months ago

        Agreed that anyone committing war crimes needs to face justice. The problem is that many seem to be very loose about their definitions of war crimes but only when applied to Israel, which is actually taking extraordinary measures to reduce civilian harm, as this article details.

          • DarkGamer@kbin.socialOP
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            8 months ago

            Did you read the article? Plenty of examples there, with citations.

            Israel gave warning, in some cases for weeks, for civilians to evacuate the major urban areas of northern Gaza before it launched its ground campaign in the fall. The IDF reported dropping over 7 million flyers, but it also deployed technologies never used anywhere in the world, as I witness firsthand on a recent trip to Gaza and southern Israel.

            Israel has made over 70,000 direct phones calls, sent over 13 million text messages and left over 15 million pre-recorded voicemails to notify civilians that they should leave combat areas, where they should go, and what route they should take. They deployed drones with speakers and dropped giant speakers by parachute that began broadcasting for civilians to leave combat areas once they hit the ground. They announced and conducted daily pauses of all operations to allow any civilians left in combat areas to evacuate.

            These measures were effective. Israel was able to evacuate upwards of 85 percent of the urban areas in northern Gaza before the heaviest fighting began. This is actually consistent with my research on urban warfare history that shows that no matter the effort, about 10 percent of populations stay.

            As the war raged on, Israel began giving out its military maps to civilians so they could conduct localized evacuations. This, too, has never been done in war. During my recent visit to Khan Yunis, Gaza, and the IDF civilian harm mitigation unit in southern Israel, I observed as the army began using these maps to communicate each day where the IDF would be operating so civilians in other areas would stay out of harm’s way.

            I saw that the IDF even tracked the population in real time down to a few-block radius using drone and satellite imagery and cell phone presence and building damage assessments to avoid hitting civilians. The New York Times reported in January that the daily civilian death toll had more than halved in the previous month and was down almost two-thirds from its peak.

            • LA Legault 🍉@newsie.social
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              8 months ago

              @DarkGamer

              I read the opinion piece. The UN 🇺🇳 released a report yesterday called “The Anatomy of A Genocide,” the ICJ’s preliminary findings is that Israel is likely committing genocide. The IDF raped a woman in Al Shifa for two days until she could not speak, in front of her family. American propaganda is stunning.

              • DarkGamer@kbin.socialOP
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                8 months ago

                UN 🇺🇳 released a report yesterday called “The Anatomy of A Genocide,”

                A report by Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur, which means she is independent of the UN. She was authorized by HRC item 7 which was not approved by the UN itself, and is controversial. More info here.

                Related: “Algeria, where are your Jews?”

                the ICJ’s preliminary findings is that Israel is likely committing genocide.

                You are miscategorizing their ruling, they said there was enough of a possibility for an investigation, nothing about it being likely. Were that the case they would have ordered a ceasefire.

                The IDF raped a woman in Al Shifa for two days until she could not speak

                Congratulations, you’ve fallen for Hamas propaganda.

                • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
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                  8 months ago

                  Regarding the Hamas propaganda one I would still take this with a grain of salt.

                  Jerusalem post is a known supporter of Israel (no shit) and while there will be facts used the conclusions drawn will be biased - same as MEE or democracynow but other side

                  Not saying its wrong, only consider it.

                  • DarkGamer@kbin.socialOP
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                    8 months ago

                    I’m afraid you’re projecting, given that every claim I’ve made is supported by credible citations that I took the time to provide for you. You clearly didn’t read any of them before replying.