Hear me out. The terms don’t matter. Both the Nazis and the Soviets were/are fanatics. They used whatever *ism they aligned with to do the same exact thing. They tried to take over other nations to control the citizens of those countries to spread their ways of thinking. They used exactly the same techniques that led to the same kind of genocide on both sides.
You could even expand it to what the US did during the cold war, and you can definitely see that China is doing the same thing now. They even have their own genocide that they’ve committed just recently.
So, at this point there’s nothing wrong with using terms that combine Nazis, Soviets, and socialist regimes in general.
Fascist is more than just authoritarian, there’s a lot of other components (fetishization of the military, an obsession with returning to the “good old days”, portraying scapegoats as simultaneously unbeatably strong and pathetically weak, etc)
The USSR was authoritarian, but not fascist.
EDIT: To clarify, I’m no fan of the USSR and their actions to put it mildly, but we shouldn’t dilute the word fascist by making it a synonym for authoritarianism.
I do not think so. There was no “return to the good old days” in USSR at all. The ideology, while was stressing the importance to defend itself, did not fetishized the military. Nationalism was also missing. And instead there was class fight, common means of production, etc. It was quite different. The only common part was the authoritarian government and the principle that the state is greater than individual.
You do not do that for the sake of state. You do that for the collective. State is just bureaucratic representation of that. In fascist Germany you would do that for the Germany and German nation specifically. In USSR you do not do that for USSR or USSR nation (there was no such thing).
Pick only one
Hear me out. The terms don’t matter. Both the Nazis and the Soviets were/are fanatics. They used whatever *ism they aligned with to do the same exact thing. They tried to take over other nations to control the citizens of those countries to spread their ways of thinking. They used exactly the same techniques that led to the same kind of genocide on both sides.
You could even expand it to what the US did during the cold war, and you can definitely see that China is doing the same thing now. They even have their own genocide that they’ve committed just recently.
So, at this point there’s nothing wrong with using terms that combine Nazis, Soviets, and socialist regimes in general.
The Soviet Union was fascist–or authoritarian, if you prefer semantics.
Fascist is more than just authoritarian, there’s a lot of other components (fetishization of the military, an obsession with returning to the “good old days”, portraying scapegoats as simultaneously unbeatably strong and pathetically weak, etc)
The USSR was authoritarian, but not fascist.
EDIT: To clarify, I’m no fan of the USSR and their actions to put it mildly, but we shouldn’t dilute the word fascist by making it a synonym for authoritarianism.
The Soviet Union’s propaganda and culture tick all of those, though.
But fair, I typically use authoritarian anyway.
I do not think so. There was no “return to the good old days” in USSR at all. The ideology, while was stressing the importance to defend itself, did not fetishized the military. Nationalism was also missing. And instead there was class fight, common means of production, etc. It was quite different. The only common part was the authoritarian government and the principle that the state is greater than individual.
USSR didn’t fetishize the military? Are you high? Can I have some?
I lived there. No, military was not fetishized. Most of the people would not want to go and serve. The draft was something to avoid if you can.
You lived there? How old are you?
50+. Do not want to give personal information on internet more than needed.
Isn’t doing things for the sake of the state nationalism?
You do not do that for the sake of state. You do that for the collective. State is just bureaucratic representation of that. In fascist Germany you would do that for the Germany and German nation specifically. In USSR you do not do that for USSR or USSR nation (there was no such thing).
The USSR was fascist, by any modern definition.