• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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    8 months ago

    And I have zero faith in the DNC and people running Joe’s campaign to focus on the right states to win the electoral college.

    That’s why I put North Carolina in the watch list. There are folks out there who think it’s winnable a) because they assume the Nikki Haley vote will flip to Biden, and b) because the Republicans just picked a batshit CRAZY candidate for Governor on Super Tuesday.

    We really need to see new polling there.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/north-carolina/

    As of 2/29 to 3/3 it’s either Trump +12 or +14, but some folks are still saying Biden can win.

    Doubt.

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      8 months ago

      a) because they assume the Nikki Haley vote will flip to Biden

      If Biden moves far enough right to grab a handful of Haley voters… Hed lose 10x the votes he gains.

      The most we should try to get republicans to do is abstain, the payoff for courting Republican votes has never been worth it.

      Biden is definitely trying to get Haley voters, it’s just a god awful strategy

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        Yeah, but what you’re missing is that big business Democratic donors love it when the Democrats move right, so that’s what they do every single fucking time.

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          I saw a Jordan Klepper clip yesterday where he talked to Haley voters…

          Most said Trump was terrible, that 1/6 was a violent insurrection, but that they’d still have to “pick the lesser of two evils” and vote trump because they’d never vote Democrat.

          It just doesn’t make any sense.

          Neither Haley voters or Biden’s campaign team. None of what they’re doing makes sense.

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        I don’t think he’s been appealing to Haley voters on the policy front at all. His new budget proposal is anathema to the republican way of thought, even the less crazy sections. He is appealing to Haley voters on the decency front, which he absolutely should. Even if you are a conservative, Trump should drastically frighten you. Not because he’s not a conservative, but because he is a destructive demagogue. Biden is appealing to voters with a distaste for that because he is not that, simple as.

        Edit: Can someone help me understand how I said something controversial here? Does anyone have any examples of the Biden campaign making policy adjustments to gain Haley voters?

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          The thing Dems absolutely refuse to understand is that policy. Does. Not. Matter. Optics matter, that’s all. 99% of voters do not know anything about any policies. They know headlines. They know memes. Joe Biden could personally walk in front of IDF bullets to defend Palestinians and it would not matter if the media decided not to cover it.

          Win the media, win the election. Truth does not matter. Results do not matter. Only the media matters.

          Republicans get this. Democrats keep insisting they can run on substance.

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            I don’t think we’re in disagreement? Biden has nothing to lose by playing up his decency factor, because it is Trump’s primary weakness. Why would you ever not appeal to potential voters (regardless of political spectrum) by playing up a factor you planned to stress anyway? I only brought up policy in response to commentors saying Biden is kowtowing to the GOP to court Haley voters, which I just do not see happening right now. You would have seen a much more moderate budget proposal (which to be clear, is also optics, because presidential budget proposals are basically just wish lists that don’t come true) if that were the case. He’s courting the left, if anything.

            The only policy proposal I see being affected by Haley voters is Ukraine funding, because Trump’s isolationism is a common complaint from her crowd. Democrats were going to support that anyway, so I’m just not seeing it.

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              8 months ago

              Not necessarily in disagreement. I’m just saying “the policy front” does not matter at all.

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                I’m with you. It does matter a bit, as it has impact on perception, but not much on its face without the appropriate publicizing later.