Starting with this post:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/44999037

Continues here:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/45035437

More posts discussing the fallout:

Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is ‘overblown and misrepresented’

Dbzer0 admin casually defending Uyghur genocide denial because “libs worse”, yikes

Banned from meanwhileongrad for “No db0 allowed”.

On Dbzer0, ‘harassing mods’ is when you criticize the top admin of .ml for responding to a Wiki link with a Lemmy search

Does lemmy.ml own db0? db0 denies the Uyghur genocide, begins to backtrack that maybe there are human rights abuses, and then immediately backs off as soon as lemmy.ml admin, Davel, steps in.

Tankie bar, db0, will remove your comments and ban you if you criticise lemmy.ml admin, Davel, for denying the Uyghur genocide

When the tankie bar, db0, is pushed about communists purging peasants, Davels swoops in with dehumanisation. Also, if you bring up the Holodomor then you’re a nazi.

Removed false allegations against goat from a post on db0

An anarchist tankie did a write-up of the constant use of ‘degenerate’ as an insult specifically in the MoG comm

Another anarchist tankie did a write-up of the situation

More links: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/329886

https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703/234360

https://sh.itjust.works/comment/338067

  • khaleer@sopuli.xyz
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    11 months ago

    I told you, don’t feed the nazi trolls. The worst for their kind is to be starved out of attention.

    That’s actually pretty obvious that people who don’t care about ANY genocide at all are actually Goat and PugJesus themselves. They just found bait that worked for you guys.

    cursing the trolls

  • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    11 months ago

    @AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world

    I’m unable to respond because I’m banned, but I appreciate your attempt to engage in dialogue with db0. He won’t admit fault because he knows that he’s being hypocritical, but thanks anyway

    i can explain any questions you may have

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    I’m utterly shocked that the Zionist social chauvanists that tend their nazi-bar and spend all day attacking Marxists would some day start targeting anarchists for not being in lock-step with them. Shocked, I tell you!

    In all seriousness, I called this over a year ago. Being right-wing socdems at best and spending all your time attacking communists is already the twin of fascism, then you add in caping for Israel, casual misogyny, transphobia, etc and anyone could have seen a mile away that their “purity tests” would eventually also draw anarchists into their fire.

    Extremely toxic behavior.

    • monkeyjoe@lemmy.worldBanned
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      5 months ago

      I happened upon this thread via hopping around, I remembered that you got misgendered by PugJesus. Here he is being sexist to Diva, then doubling down, in this thread 6 months ago.

      https://lemmy.world/post/35341263/19178643

      Sorry to necro, just thought you could use it for more proof that PJ is deeply unserious as a person. And that goat said misgendering is only a weapon to silence those who question others. Wonder why these people are called fascists…

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      11 months ago

      We were expecting it as well to happen at some point. There was no love lost between us and the libs during the US election period, and there’s always been a lot of peeps hating us for our principled stances on copyrights, electoralism and “left unity”. I think it was a bit of an assumption on your part to think that just because we were arguing some times with campists, we weren’t also arguing with turbolibs.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Funnily PJ did show his hand, by claiming out that he has anarchists that he gets along with. And then pointed out to people who just discovered anarchism less 1 year ago.

        “Showing your hand is when someone asks you to name one (1) anarchist you speak to, and you do, musing that you could name more and that the question was pretty fucking stupid”

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        I didn’t mean you should be surprised, I figured most of y’all expected it too. This is more for those on your site that are big fans of MWoG despite it being a Nazi bar (won’t get into names, not interested in that, and it isn’t a majority of your users, maybe a handful), as well as those on the more liberal instances that align with PJ’s “left” anti-leftism, ie Lemmy.world.

        I agree with your general stances on copyrights and electoralism, and am not trying to get into an argument about “campism.” I just think in this particular moment as leftists we are both aligned, and can at least appreciate that aspect. I know we have our disagreements, but that’s not something I want to get into now, I’m just having a bit of fun with people turning on MWoG, PJ, and Goat.

        Edit: Yes, I saw that anarchist claim! PJ also claims to know more about Marxism than me, which, I think even with your disagreements with me we can both agree that that’s absurd. I’m no expert, of course, but I think I can humbly accept that I’ve put in the effort to know what I talk about in that regard.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 months ago

          PJ scorching the earth and we’re sitting on the side popping popcorn on the fire looking at each other like ‘wat’ :D

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            Yep, exactly! I’d be lying if I said I didn’t feel a bit bad for PJ, they seem to be crashing out more and more lately. They’re still wrong, of course, but unlike Goat PJ at least seems like they have the potential to change their views in the future instead of remaining a permanent radlib. I’m only really saying this because I’m pretty sure PJ has me blocked, lol.

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          11 months ago

          I don’t think this is going the way you’re hoping it would. I’m actually seeing an increase in support

  • tyler@programming.dev
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    11 months ago

    They say the democrats have voted for arming Israel continually with trump. That’s just not true but is an incredibly common tankie point I’ve seen over and over again. Democrats have voted over and over again for stopping arming Israel. Literally go look at their voting records for the past 9 months.

  • Blaze@lazysoci.alEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Copy pasting from a comment below

    @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com explanation

    FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

    I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.

    I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507

    From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus

    To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559

    On the other hand the single mod on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments

    My community is also bigger lol

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327

    And the amount of posts on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works by that same single mod is concerning. How many of those do they need make, reusing the same screenshot ad nauseam when Unruffled recognized that China’s actions towards the Uyghur meet the definition of a genocide (see comment above)?

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      11 months ago

      “They walked it back after being called out with a half-assed ‘Well, I think it meets the definition, but the West is worse so it doesn’t matter!’ after spreading common fuckwit fascist talking points and denying genocide, whilst simultaneously praising denialism of that same genocide and allowing genocide denial in comms they moderate, clearly they didn’t mean it”

      Yes, clearly. /s

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I’ll never understand why people care so much about this drama with instance admin of teeny tiny instances that don’t even matter…

    The only good community on db0 was the modabuse one…

    Then they added a new mod and you couldn’t post about blahja, couldn’t post about an AI communities, can’t post about vegan communities…

    Basically, if their new mod agrees with who you’re complaining about on any topic, they just delete the post.

    Just block their entire instance.

    Making these huge posts about how a teeny tiny corner of the fedicerse sucks doesn’t accomplish anything, you’re just feeding the trolls.

  • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I’ll provide a lot of context later on; I have a busy few days, so I’ll be unavailable to engage in fedidrama.

    Unlike tankies and apologists, I’ll supply full context, with absolutely everything.

    tl;dr: Tankie bar.

    Summarised version for now:

    Db0 users and admins have been continuously defending tankies on my anti-tankie community, !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works. They also host tankies such as Devals, who is a lemmy.ml admin. They also host open antisemites.

    Their community, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, is good in concept, but in practice ends up being a snark community where they attack the moderator based on political views as opposed to whether or not the user broke the rules. Case in point, the user denied genocide, was temporarily banned, yet their snark community flocked to their defence and engaged in more genocide denialism. Any attempts of explanation and communication was met with ridicule and slander.

    They then brigade, calling me, my community and random users nazis and fascists. They say it’s because one user, just one, uses ‘degenerate’ and ‘roach’ to refer to tankies. I counter, I supply evidence, I explain that tankies also use dehumanising language and as does db0’s instance, yet we get banned. So I banned them back.

    If we’re nazis because one user used the word degenerate and roach, then they’re tankies for, you know, defending actual tankies lol

    Perhaps this is all just a misunderstanding, perhaps it’s a series of coincidences or happenstances. But from my perspective, I got sick of their trolling and called out their hypocrisy.

    • Blaze@lazysoci.alEnglish
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      11 months ago

      perhaps it’s a series of coincidences or happenstances.

      I got sick of their trolling and called out their hypocrisy.

      From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus , Saturday 30th August 3:45 PM GMT+02

      To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

      Since then (Saturday 30th August 3:45 PM GMT+02):

      Calling out hypocrisy, based on the posts above, doesn’t look the most genuine.

      Note about another db0 admin clarification

      FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

      I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.

      I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

      https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507

  • cloudless@piefed.socialEnglish
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    11 months ago

    Thanks. I’m going to unsubscribe from communities hosted there. Might eventually block their instance.

    • Blaze@lazysoci.alEnglish
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      11 months ago

      For me, it’s kind of the opposite.

      @fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com explanation

      FYI goat, i downvoted the post you screenshotted because the person, @isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de, made this disgusting comment and got permabanned on LW + here for it. He’s a horrible person, which is why i downvoted his post. Not because of the content.

      I am not a tankie, not even hexbear/ml users consider me as such; I’ve also seen other stuff about me being a Soviet apologist (?) Which, no, from using the search feature, I have not it seems. Unless they’re including the time I was being nice to cowbee… ? Either way I personally do not have a positive opinion of the USSR but I really don’t want to get into that here.

      I have also had a conversation with cowbee themselves once where I told them I disagree with them with the USSR, China and Ukraine about a week ago, so no, I am not an apologist for the Soviet union.

      https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21109507

      From @unruffled@anarchist.nexus

      To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

      https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559

      On the other hand single mod on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments

      My community is also bigger lol

      https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20731327

      And the amount of posts on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works by that same single mod is concerning. How many of those do they need make, reusing the same screenshot ad nauseam when Unruffled recognized that China’s actions towards the Uyghur meet the definition of a genocide (see comment above)?

        • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
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          11 months ago

          Join the club. I have no idea what’s happening, there’s accusations and counter accusations flying everywhere. I’m gonna wait for things to die down and get the TLDR from somebody trustworthy.

        • Unruffled [they/them]@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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          11 months ago

          It’s because Goat and PugJesus are continually talking out of their arses about our instance, and completely misrepresenting or just straight up lying about what we say. PugJesus even somehow managed to arrive at the conclusion I am a “genocide denier” after I posted the comment below and banned my account from all his communities. He’s been malding for weeks over his 1 week temp ban on db0. He’ll never be over it, apparently. And despite us peacably coexisting with him for years, suddenly we’re all “tankies” just because we called out his toxic bullying towards one of our users. Those two have been flaming all over lemmy about our instance for weeks now. PugJesus even set up not one, but two, personal grudge communities to whine about being moderated, in addition to dozens and dozens of invective-filled bad-faith posts. It’s funny how none of them had a problem with dbzer0 until PJ had a meltdown, right?

          To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.

          Apparently the above statement wasn’t clear enough, so I’ll reiterate. Yes, China imo has been committing a cultural/religious genocide against the Uyghur’s, as they have done with Tibet and will likely do to Taiwan at some point. That sucks. And yes, all genocide is bad. But as the libs love to say when they are talking about the Republicans, you gotta consider which is the worse partygenocide and where to focus your efforts.

          The Chinese aren’t dropping grenades from drones onto groups of innocent Uyghur civilians, shooting teenage boys in their genitals, or bombing their hospitals. It’s more like an authoritarian version of cultural assimilation. And no PugJesus, that doesn’t mean I’m denying or even minimizing what’s happening there. But to say the nature of the two genocides is the same just because they share the same label is a brain-dead take. It’s like saying the Falklands War was the same as WWII. I mean, in one sense that’s true, because they were both wars, but in a very obvious sense the scale and level of harm was much higher in one compared to the other.

          That’s the point I was making about Gaza. Yet repeatedly, whenever the Democratic party’s material support for the genocide in Gaza is brought up, all the turbolibs can say is “what about the Uyghurs?” as though that’s some sort of gotcha. But on this particular topic, the Democrats are not the lesser evil. Biden had every opportunity to stop this genocide and chose not to.

          And see the following link for evidence of more recent Democrat complicity in Israel’s genocide https://anarchist.nexus/post/538. The Dems will never stop supplying arms to Israel unless all the existing party leadership is kicked out.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 months ago

            And despite us peacably coexisting with him for years, suddenly we’re all “tankies” just because we called out his toxic bullying towards one of our users.

            The ‘bullying’ that consisted of downvoting comments I disagreed with? As admitted even by the ‘bullied’?

            And despite us peacably coexisting with him for years, suddenly we’re all “tankies” just because we called out his toxic bullying towards one of our users.

            I didn’t call you a tankie until you started denying Uyghur genocide and denying sexual assault, fascist. Which was long after the ban - which I regarded as petty and annoying, but not indicative of any deeper fascist leaning.

            The Chinese aren’t dropping grenades from drones onto groups of innocent Uyghur civilians, shooting teenage boys in their genitals, or bombing their hospitals.

            Oh cool, it’s much better to do it with police instead of drones, and beating teenage boys to death in interrogation instead of shooting them. Whew! Close one!

            It’s more like an authoritarian version of cultural assimilation. And no PugJesus, that doesn’t mean I’m denying or even minimizing what’s happening there.

            “It’s just like an authoritarian version of cultural assimilation. I’m not minimizing the Uyghur genocide!”

            You really have no self-awareness, huh.

            That’s the point I was making about Gaza. Yet repeatedly, whenever the Democratic party’s material support for the genocide in Gaza is brought up, all the turbolibs can say is “what about the Uyghurs?” as though that’s some sort of gotcha

            Curious considering that you made those comments in a thread where you were the one who brought up Gaza, unprompted. But I’m sure calling it the Uyghur “Genocide” and saying it was overblown was just you reacting really strongly to nonexistent Gaza comparisons in the thread!

            Fucking astounding projection for your fascist whataboutism.

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              11 months ago

              Fascists according to pugjesus: Anyone who doesn’t ban whoever he wants, and anyone who disagrees with him about liberal democracy. Basically anyone to his left.

              Not fascist according to pugjesus: People hanging out in fascist forums, and voters for genocide.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                11 months ago

                Fascists according to pugjesus: Anyone who doesn’t ban whoever he wants, and anyone who disagrees with him about liberal democracy. Basically anyone to his left.

                The reason I’ve been calling people fascists is quite explicitly for playing apologist for genocide.

                But since you’re an ardent genocide apologist these days, I understand that upsets you.

                • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  11 months ago

                  Never have been, never will be. Won’t find me saying anything like that, but that doesn’t stop you from twisting every fact trying apparently :D

                  fascists is quite explicitly for playing apologist for genocide.

                  Said the actual voter for more genocide. Man, most of the politicians you support explicitly deny the most brutal genocide in the world right now. Maybe you should spend some of this outrage doing something about that instead of raging on an internet forum.

        • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
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          11 months ago

          Maybe I can weigh in here as a neutralish third party observer. I like goat and Pug, but I think they are taking this too seriously and being a bit too terminally online. I also like db0, but I think the accusations of them protecting tankies is credible. I think the specific accusations against Davel and uruffled are also credible, though for slightly different reasons I won’t go into here. Everyone knows tankies gonna tank.

          What it comes down to is that I think there has been a real effort to bait goat and Pug into this interaction, and this kind of thing has happened a few different times with different users who have run afoul of the tankie triad. I think goat and Pug kind of took the bait and need to chill out, and I think db0 needs to be more open to the idea that a few tankie power users really are trying to manipulate large portions of the fediverse, including their instance. Tankies are a problem on the fediverse, and to some degree I do kind of applaud goat and Pug for trying to stand up to them, but now we are just into useless shit slinging meta.

          More than anything though, I think this is a great example of how public voting drives this kind of toxicity.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 months ago

            Maybe I can weigh in here as a neutralish third party observer. I like goat and Pug, but I think they are taking this too seriously and being a bit too terminally online. I also like db0, but I think the accusations of them protecting tankies is credible. I think the specific accusations against Davel and uruffled are also credible, though for slightly different reasons I won’t go into here. Everyone knows tankies gonna tank.

            Goat has been overreacting by banning dbzer0 users as a whole. And apparently sending people pics of an asshole? That’s enough for me to decouple from MOG, honestly.

            While I’m obviously biased, I don’t think I’ve been overreacting simply by calling out literal fucking genocide denial.

      • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        11 months ago

        First they came for the tankies, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not a tankie.

        Then they came for the ultra-left Marxists, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not an ultra-left Marxist.

        Then they came for the anarchists, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not an anarchist.

        Then they came for the social democrats, but I did not speak out—
           Because I was not an social democrat.

        Then they came for anyone left of Biden/Harris—and there was no one left to speak for us.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        11 months ago

        DB0 used to remove Uyghur genocide denial and Holodomor denial. It’s sad that now they regard that as permitted. Now they even defend vanguard parties overthrowing democratic elections.

        • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          11 months ago

          Some people are capable of updating their views when given new information. And some people have so tightly bound their sense of self & self-worth to an ideology that no amount of new information will change their views. Anyone who doesn’t share their ideology is an offense to their self-validation and are an enemy.

          I question how much you actually care/cared about the 1930s Ukrainians, today’s Uyghurs, or today’s Palestinians except as rhetorico-political tools to excoriate anyone left of you.

  • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    11 months ago

    I think cm0002, the deeply scratched anti-authoritarian-communist liberal, had the political savviness to stay out of these !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com conversations. He isn’t banned from that community or instance, and he was otherwise active, so I think this was a conscious choice. Let goat & pg take the heat.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      11 months ago

      I got banned from voat, twice, because I was questioning nazis on their views. I like to question extremists and make it clear that their positions are illogical and nonsensical, only fuelled by hatred and insecurity. I also take credit, along with carpian before he went off the deep end, for helping shut down ruqqus, which was filled with alt-righters. I also helped shut down /r/uncensorednews, which was the largest neo-nazi subreddit. But sure, I’m a nazi because I dare challenge them, that makes sense.

      I challenge extremists of all varieties. I challenge tankies, jihadists, Christian fundamentalists, sovereign citizens, QAnons, anti-vaxxers, antisemites, libertarians and trump supporters. Does that make me all of those things? No, obviously not.

      ExplodingHeads didn’t start openly fascist. They first presented themselves as conservative, as extremists usually do. At the time Lemmy was brand new, and my argument was that the fediverse needs variety and diversity of opinions to stay alive. Unfortunately, EH was co-opted by neo-nazis, or they were neo-nazis all along, but if anyone from back then recalls, I also regularly challenged them on their Trump-supporter positions. But it’s easier to ignore all that history and context.

      I joined because it had an icon of a burger, but I left after I realised what it was. Moved on to aussie.zone and later to SJW.

      I was, I was brought on by tejmar, the head mod who wanted WPD to be a more serious subreddit, not filled with sick jokes of making fun of dead people and because I was good at identifying extremists early and catching onto their many dogwhistles. We both wanted WPD to be a more educational community like /r/medizzy, focusing on a more philosophical and medical take on the subreddit’s content. After the Christchurch shooting, I left because it was my opinion that the shooting shouldn’t be posted due to the shooter being a neo-nazi and also because it’s sickening footage that will get the sub in hot water. My protests went unheard, I was removed, and predictably, it was banned.

      I don’t even have meat… Also don’t know what you mean by sheriff star?

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          11 months ago

          When the nazi bar kicked you out, you put on a fake mustache and glasses in order to get back in. Got it.

          After two years. I was curious, and you didn’t need to make an account to access their chatroom. Made it easy to troll that one single guy.

          Well, I mean, if you surround yourself with nazis and go to bat for them…

          They banned me lol, I wasn’t supporting them in the slightest.

          Yeah yeah, you go soft on nazis and shit on leftists. I know that already.

          I shit on everyone. No one on the fediverse even knows my political position.

          Yeah, you didn’t join because it was a freeze peach zone which you only quit because they didn’t allow your kink. If I wasn’t that lazy I’d go take a look on the wayback machine, I’m sure it’s all saved there somewhere.

          wat. that doesn’t make sense. Burgit was the instance that was allowing loli shit, which I didn’t realise because NSFW is opt-in on Lemmy. As soon as I found out, I left immediately and good riddance. But if you wanna look at loli shit on the wayback machine, go ahead, kinda fuckin weird

          Little you was just lending a hand making things respectable huh?

          Yes. I criticised Tejmar and the moderator team there for allowing disgusting comments making fun of dead people. So they brought me on to make a change to that, and then they booted me when I told them not to post the Christchurch shooting. Also technically, goat is my alt since I owned slugcat first, and have been pretty open about slugcat being my original account. Thank you for listing the thread though, I’m eager to hear some input on that community concept. I’m in the medical field, so death and gore are pretty common in my usual life.

          I’d be confused too if a fucking amazonian rainforest had prevented me from seeing my brownie box all my life. Shave that ass dude…

          I’ve since found the post you’re referring to, and that’s hella fake. It’s since been removed across db0 and lemmy.world because it’s against Lemmy’s code of conduct and also it’s fake. Also I’m not even a dude

            • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              11 months ago

              I have already explained to you that I wasn’t aware the instance had that sort of content because NSFW is an opt-in feature. Once I realised I immediately left.

              You ain’t? Could have sworn you mentioned being a gay guy somewhere.

              i dont think so. even then, does that make a difference?

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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    11 months ago

    is “taking on admins” what we’re now calling PugJesus and (self-proclaimed member of neo-nazi forums) goat rage-posting on comms they moderate?

    lol. lmao even.

    • Carl N. Yon@lemmy.worldOP
      0·
      11 months ago

      I thought anarchism was about DISMANTLING power dynamics like that of a tankie admin cabal?

      They are the few against th emany.

      • _cryptagion [he/him]@anarchist.nexusEnglish
        0·
        11 months ago

        I thought anarchism

        that’s because you have never read anything about anarchism and have no idea what it is. anarchism as a philosophy requires solidarity. and solidarity means a community coming together to protect itself from those bad actors who wish it harm. the freedom of association that is a core part of anarchism also means the freedom to disassociate. banning pug and goat was our community disassociating itself from someone who doesn’t wish us well and doesn’t want to be a part of us anyway. anyone who is on our matrix knows that everyone there was very supportive of the way the dbzer0 and AN admins have taken care of the situation and protected the peace of our community. nothing that has happened is at all at odds with anarchism, any more than it would be at odds with liberalism or communism.

        neither pug nor goat have lost their ability to take part in fedi, an ability they have made good use of by posting constant rage posts in their own comms. a couple of sad little kings, presiding over their sad little hills.

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          11 months ago

          banning pug and goat was our community disassociating itself from someone who doesn’t wish us well and doesn’t want to be a part of us anyway.

          When was I banned?

          I don’t wish fascists or their apologists well, nor do I make a habit of participating in their comms. Sorry that you seem to think otherwise.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              11 months ago

              Considering trying out for the Olympics with that amount of mental gymnastics?

              I’m sorry, what do you regard Uyghur genocide denial, Holodomor denial, and the support of Vanguard parties overthrowing democracy as?

              Is that what anarchism is to you?

              • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                11 months ago

                First two I simply dont see from /0 staff nor the vast majority of the users you’re delusional on both points. On the third neo liberal “democracy” isnt real and is largely a vessel for control by the capitalist oligarchic class, I do not think ML is the solution to that however.

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  11 months ago

                  First two I simply dont see from /0 staff nor the vast majority of the users you’re delusional on both points.

                  Furthermore, despite aggressively (and rightly) removing other forms of genocide denial in that comm, both Holodomor and Uyghur Genocide denial are left up in that thread, despite the participation of multiple admins and the reporting of the material.

                  In addition to that, both Uyghur genocide denial and Holodomor denial in that same thread are upvoted by the Dbzer0 community.

                  How many dbzer0 users would you like me to cite engaging in Uyghur genocide denial or Holodomor denial before you’ll concede that it might be a problem? Legitimate question, I know of a significant number, so I may be able to convince you if you’re legitimately just skeptical.

                  On the third neo liberal “democracy” isnt real and is largely a vessel for control by the capitalist oligarchic class, I do not think ML is the solution to that however.

                  Rather than being a reference to modern democratic states, the position is in relevance to the Spartacist Uprising, which proposed, in response to Germany’s defeat in WW1 and subsequent incoming elections which the KPD was not barred from running in, and which were largely spearheaded by the then-much-more-left-wing-than-the-modern-day SPD, to attempt a coup explicitly along Bolshevik lines, which had, the previous year, dissolved a democratically elected revolutionary government in Russia.

                  DB0 believes that this vanguardist approach is true anarchist praxis, praising ML imitators as ‘libertarian socialists’.

    • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
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      11 months ago

      100% this. And so many people still say we need it because it “stops vote brigading.” Which it obviously doesn’t even do.

      Meanwhile this kind of drama is getting worse, and we haven’t even scraped the surface of potential downsides yet. I, for one, can’t wait until we have armies of AI driven astroturf bots which use public voting vote to target engagement far beyond what is possible with just comments.

      If you don’t want down votes to impact post visibility as much then change the algorithm to do that. Hell, give mods tools to just quietly ignore down votes entire on a case by case basis. Bothe of these things are stupidly simple and would be vastly more effective at dealing with vote brigades than mods making Pepe DaSilva sting graphs trying to root out connected users.

      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 months ago

        Its more that it does effectively nothing.

        You don’t even need to run an instance to see vote history. ActivityPub federates all activity across, and lemmy does not obfuscate in any way.

        Any real change to address this would have to be done much lower than whether or not lemvotes sees it.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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      11 months ago

      It does seem like an obvious drama factory for people that don’t have the proper mentality of laughing at someone for bringing up votes, calling them a loser that needs to touch grass and blocking them so they don’t waste any more of your life

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        PJ claims to be, somehow, they put “vaguely left” in their profile. They hate both Marxism and anarchism, though, and seem to always act as though they are the true judge of someone being Marxist or anarchist. They seem to love social democracy, itself right-wing. You’d think after getting disproven over and over again, they’d actually start to listen to the Marxists and anarchists, but instead they powertrip and ban all dissent. Toxic behavior, and kinda sad.

        Goat, on the other hand, has never claimed to be on the left to my knowledge. They’ve openly been pretty right wing this entire time. Toxic, but not sad, seems they just want to rile people up and provoke a reaction more than anything.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            I consider the left to be pro-socialism, and anti-capitalism. Under that general umbrella, Marxism and anarchism are by far the largest umbrellas. There are some groups like the Zapatistas that reject both labels, and they are valid, but few in number.

            • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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              11 months ago

              Just throwing out there that you’re not the bar with which the left is measured.

              I appreciate your take but you aren’t an authority and nobody here is, and almost everyone around here seems to be incapable of understanding that their specific view isn’t the ideal.

              Purity tests are best left for fascism

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                11 months ago

                I’m not an authority, no. Never claimed to be. However, outside of the Zapatistas, I’m not sure I can even name a leftist movement that doesn’t draw directly from Marxism or anarchism. Marxism generally is heavily influential over those for full collectivization, while anarchism is heavily influential over those that seek horizontalism and decentralization. Groups that reject both are usually just social democrats that wish to retain capitalism.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              11 months ago

              Not who you asked, but I’d say the closest outside Zapatismo is Nkruhmahism-Touréism, which draws heavy influence from Marxism-Leninism to my understanding but takes most of its influence specifically from Kwame Nkrumah and Ahmed Touré.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                  11 months ago

                  Nkrumahism-Touréism is gaining in popularity among pan-African socialists, but that’s about the extent of my knowledge on the subject. Quasi-socialist national liberation movements like Nasserism are generally progressive in moving against imperialism and towards self-determination, so in that frame it’s like a more progressive Baathism. In the context of imperialism as the primary obstacle to global socialism, those groups earn more critical support than comprador regimes.

                  That being said, I’m far from an expert on Nasser and Nasserism, the middle east is an area I’m quite undereducated on. Hoping to learn more about African struggles in the How Europe Underdeveloped Africa reading threads, but outside of Palestinian liberation and the various factions involved with it like the PFLP, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc, my knowledge for now is too low for me to really have an opinion beyond my general support for opposition to imperialism.