Fuck the stupid morons who defend Apple.

Imagine if Microsoft banned Windows users from installing the software they want on their computer.

Imagine if Microsoft required all software developers to give them 30% of their earning or Microsoft will ban them from Windows

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      6 days ago

      People are down voting you like your defending them, but you’re not, and you’re right. It sounds like a lot of money, but for Apple, it’s just an adjustment to the profits they made doing this.

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      Yes but I don’t believe consoles are a target of the DMA or this investigation. While would be nice if consoles were opened up and forced to allow side loading and alternative stores, I think there’s an argument that they’re single purpose appliances - a PlayStation is sold to you with the intention of it being a gaming box and not much else.

      A smartphone or tablet though is at this point a general purpose computer, and it’s reasonable to expect to have the same freedoms and open environment that you would on a PC. And Apple’s argument that they can’t open up the iPhone because security or whatever doesn’t really hold water, because the Mac exists and is both secure and open.

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    The EU seems to be the only entity left with a backbone when it comes protecting consumers.

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    Imagine if Microsoft banned Windows users from installing the software they want on their computer.

    Imagine if Microsoft required all software developers to give them 30% of their earning or Microsoft will ban them from Windows

    I think that’s exactly what Microsoft is aiming to do in the future.

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      Well, half a billion is still a lot of money so it’s great that the union got it so they can spend it on something useful. Half a billion USD is the entire yearly revenue of some fairly large companies in Sweden.

      And the fine is not intended to bankrupt Apple, it’s intended to punish them and as a show of force. If Apple still refuses to comply or even pay the fine, the fines would obviously escalate and the max fine on this offence is very very high.

      Also remember that the EU generally only cares what they do inside the EU, they care about how it affects EU citizens. So it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to issue brutally high fines based on yearly global revenue yet.

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    except only loosing 568m is just “the price of doing business” for them and it’s not much of a deterrent to make them stop. they made more than that by doing this so it’s still a net profit

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    Hating on Apple for their 30% cut is popular.

    Hating on Google for their 30% cut is popular.

    Hating on Microfot, Sony, and Nintendo for their cuts is popular.

    But somehow hating on Steam for their 30% cut is going too far.

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      Steam reduced their cut to 20% for the biggest publishers, let’s see any of the others do that. They also allow other stores on the steam deck. They also allow steam keys and shouldn’t demand MFN pricing.

      Their cut is worth it to users for the same reasons as an iOS and Android user might say, except when it comes to switching platforms, your steam games can come with you to rival platforms and not just friendly ones.

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      You get value from Steam for paying that.

      What value do you get from Apple for paying the Apple tax? A higher price for a phone that could cost 500€ less?

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        What exactly is the value that steam provides with its 30% cut that Apple doesn’t provide? Not defending Apple by the way.

        Openness of the hardware is a valid point but that isn’t exactly a feature of steam (nor a distinction between the other platforms in OPs comment)

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          Apple forces me to stay there.
          Valve offers me to stay there. The whole market and review system is incredibly important as I can see if it’s even worth it to buy. Where else can you see reviews besides comparing numerous comments under video reviews?

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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      I’d like to see a game developer chiming in but as a user, 30% cut by Steam feels justified.

      They have helped me discover and buy many games that I wouldn’t have even heard of otherwise. Compare that to Google Play Store which is full of dogshit shovelware and Pay2Win games.

      And sometimes I’ve even bought Steam keys via Fanatical bundles, where I chose which games to buy by looking at their Steam store pages. Steam got nothing from these transactions as far as I know.

      This is without getting into other useful stuff like guides and forums hosted by Steam which I can look at whenever I get stuck. Or Steam workshop which allows users to easily mod the games.

      Call me a fanboy but I’m tired of this ‘what about Steam’ comments.

      Ask Sony, Microsoft, Google, and Nintendo to improve their stores instead.

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        Fair, but there is an argument to be made about how hosting things are now cheaper than ever, by a huge margin. When 1GB used to cost 1 dollar, they had 30% cut. Now when that’s 0.01 not 1, 100x the difference (while games have gotten like what, 10x bigger?), it’s still 30%.

        But you know what is the most damning argument against their cut? Steam earns more money per employee than next 3 companies combined and Gabe is buying fleet of yachts and multiple submarines, not even getting into real estate, while indie devs are going broke one after another. That cut might make a major difference for devs, but at this point Gabe has already too much money and won’t suffer from having less of it, which is really not consumer or developer friendly thing to do, basically hoarding riches like other billionaires

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      Steam’s 30% is the last of their problems, I would like them to finally start actually moderating Steam forums. Because devs of the particular game usually don’t care. Visit some forums of newly released popular game and it’s full of bigots, misogyny, trolls and hate. It’s unbelievable.

      Go check oblivion remastered

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        Bigots, Misogyny, Trolls & Hate is translation for I want people censored because I am on a power-trip. These are vague & nebulous & why don’t you & your buddies go counter them

        & Good one mate, because I have been there.

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      Perhaps that’s because Steam doesn’t seem to be trying very hard to “lock in” developers to their platform. Devs are free to sell their PC games on Gog or Epic or whatever. Steam is popular because it’s a good platform. This freedom for developers or customers mostly does not exist on mobile or on consoles, except for the EUs efforts here.

      Even their “console” the Steam Deck can, relatively easily, run games from other stores. I’m not saying a 30% cut should be considered fair but they do seem to take a different approach to digital sales than the other large players.

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        Yeah it’s arguable that Steam is a monopoly but somehow billion dollar publishers can’t create a store to sell their own products without fucking it up with annoying bullshit. Pay the 30% to protect you from yourselves.

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          Yeah, Steam is pretty much a monopoly. But I haven’t seen what I’d call monopolistic practices from them. It’s just that everyone else appears to fall flat on their faces when trying to make a competing product.

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            It’s weird because steam isn’t even that amazing at what it does and even some of the features I like can be tempremental or downright buggy at times.

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              Once I saw the power of Steam on Linux, I knew no other company could touch them.

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        Steam is equally shitty, they just have the advantage of not being publicly traded which means they can create long term strategies and execute them successfully.

        Doesn’t mean they’re pro consumer.

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          Would not say equally shitty, otherwise they won’t have popular support they do.

          You are correct however that they are not pro consumer.

          They are just a smarter, wiser business with a sustainable business model that understands the importance of consumer trust.

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      I get why people like steam. But as a steam hater, if GabeN ever dies and the kids or whoever is heirs are decide to sell to VCs or private equity. That 30% will be just as oppressive as anyone else’s.