• redwattlebird@lemmings.world
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    6 days ago

    On a separate note, I just installed a Linux partition on my laptop to dual boot since I still need windows for AGI32 and Autodesk. Next weekend, I’ll be shrinking my windows partition, move my files to a new partition and mount it in Linux so I can access files both ways.

    Feels so good to have absolute control of my computer again.

    I’m glad I got out when I could because Recall is such a dodgy ‘feature’.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    Copilot+ PCs have specific hardware requirements beyond the ones necessary to run Windows 11. The most significant is the requirement for a neural processing unit (NPU) that can process more than 40 trillion operations per second (TOPS).

    So in other words, copilot will be a huge enormous waste of electricity as it’s continuously training some shitty AI. Gottit.

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      6 days ago

      I agree. But people also need to be ready for some of the Linux bullshit brings. I’ve switched recently and it’s never 100% smooth sailing. But at least no tracking and proprietary bullshit.

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        Bullshit like what? That most stuff just does as advertised?

        Yeah, there will be technical issues here and there, but are you really going to claim widows doesn’t have technical issues?

        I’ve been doing Linux desktop for over 25 years now and every time I look at windows it’s always because of some bullshit technical issue and I always have to wonder why people pay for that shit

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        Yeah, this can be an unpopular opinion on Lemmy, because there’s a giant Linux circlejerk. But the unfortunate reality is that changing to Linux does have some major stumbling blocks. The “switching is so easy, just do it” crowd totally glosses over it, but that’s kind of rhetoric doesn’t help long term adoption. Because if some new user has only heard “switching is so easy” and immediately runs into issues, they’ll be more likely to go “well if it’s super easy and I can’t figure it out, I guess it’s just not for me” and abandon things.

        There’s also a very vocal (and toxic) part of the Linux community that basically just screams “RTFM” at every newbie question. New users shouldn’t be expected to dig into a 350 page technical document just to learn the basics of their new OS.

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          Yea… The biggest wtf moment was

          1. Logitech doesn’t have Linux drivers… I didn’t know this before switching. It’s not really Linux’s fault, but users won’t care. The fact that something as basic as a mouse and keyboard need tinkering sucks

          2. Nvdia drivers are wonky and buggy it took me 2h to configure my two monitor setup. Again, really not Linux’s fault, but people won’t care

          3. Same random bugs like suspend not working, or extern drives randomly mounting, it’s little things

          So yea… I like Linux way better than Windows now, but “just switch everything works” simply isn’t true and we have to be honest.

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      It is good to use linux. But this has an impact on everyone to some degree. You may use Linux, but does your family, friends, your doctor, your teacher or boss, and whoever else who has some of your personal data?

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        You do bring a good point. Every doctor will havemy phone number on file and recall will screen shot that. I cant do anything to stop that. Same with every other piece of data.

        At least my doctor won’t have screen shot of everything, web page, picture, word doc, friends lists, political news, I view on screen.

        Someone will have vital information stolen from a recall hack on a 3rd party

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        My data being in the hands of a 3rd party at all is arguably a larger risk than said 3rd party running Windows. No single individual can control what OS any particular 3rd party runs, and if you hand data over to a 3rd party, at some point you have to trust them. If you don’t trust them, find someone you can trust.

        Don’t make everyone else’s choice of OS my problem.

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      Tbh I’d pay money for a foss alternative here. There are smart systems in KDE and Gnome already but if it could recall exact details on free software it would be awesome.

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        You can install key and screen loggers if you want. Could even setup offsite backup and rclone it all wherever you want.

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    7 days ago

    “But most significantly, Microsoft has made Recall a feature you must opt in to using rather than opt out of using, and it’s possible to remove it completely.”

    Important bit

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      Most MS controversial features go through “opt in -> opt out -> mandatory” pipeline examples are Telemetry, Windows Live account, Spotlight (ui ads), etc.

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        This is good. There are probably some edge cases for this. I work in IT for some companies using industrial automation. Being able to roll back and watch what people do when errors or problems occur is a good feature. Similarly on high value servers I would like this as well.

        Being able to turn it on is better than having to apply policies to disable. I don’t see this as a big problem anymore.

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        6 days ago

        😎 Me having set only security updates in my windows, after it tried to install the 24H2 update.

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            If they want to pay 2-3 Billions to EU for breaking laws, let them. I will also make so money suing them.

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              Didn’t they require one of these bigger upgrades to still get security updates? I thought I read something about 23H2 (or similar) not getting updates anymore.

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        6 days ago

        “Whoopsie, turns out we lied and recall was enabled from the start and just pretended to be off” 😄🤷‍♂️

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          “we noticed you uninstall Recall. Probably just an accident. We reinstalled it in an unremovable way and enabled it for you. You’re welcome!”

          Edit: autocorrect

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    7 days ago

    This is a huge opportunity. All of us Linux geeks now need to be on mainstream social media platforms and actively seek out and help everyone who expresses an interest in switching from Windows to Linux.

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      Let me save you the trip. I have an old trash spec hp all in one that’s had the bag beat out of it, what is the best lightweight Linux distro to make this a usable web browsing and PDF file viewer? (To be used in my garage to look at FSM, wiring diagrams, play music, Google crap etc nothing demanding). I’ve tried mint and it works ok but thinking lighter weight ?

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        6 days ago

        You could try Linux Mint XFCE edition. Comes with a more lightweight desktop environment.

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          At that point you might as well just run Debian Testing with XFCE. Or Xubuntu. Basically the same thing.

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            Other Debian-based distros with XFCE are going to be very similar, yes.

            Xubuntu is going to install Snaps if you install some software through apt, though, which imo is kind of gross. That’s the reason I switched to Mint. But if you like Snaps, it’s arguably a better choice.

            Debian might be slightly harder to set up. However, from what I hear, it’s easy enough for most people now.

            If you’re already familiar with regular Mint, XFCE Edition is going to have the same key bindings, update manager and driver manager, so it should be slightly easier to use.

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        Damn Small Linux is very lightweight and comes with browser and PDF viewer preloaded. It doesn’t have a GUI software installer though, so you will have to use the terminal if you need to install stuff.

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          FSM in the context of a garage probably means Factory Service Manual, i.e. the service manual for a car or motorbike

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    So reading more into it, it’s (currently) only on the bogus copilot+ PCs they were peddling? I’m happily on bazzite, but this is good news for my stubborn mates that haven’t touched copilot+ shit.

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    Would be interesting to see how microsoft kills windows in the long term and then be shocked as to how this happened

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      Kind of like how they fucked up and let zoom become the pandemic program everyone used despite skype being so established it had already become a verb like google? M$ really racking up those wins recently

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      Last time they thought about rolling it out, security researchers immediately found ways to do clear text exfiltration of user data.

      This should be terrifying for anybody who is at all concerned about opsec for anything at all.

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        For now. Plus, lots of companies still use Windows “Professional” SKUs.

        Thankfully my work laptop runs W11 Enterprise, but still…

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      I’m sure most corporations have agreements that prevent M$ from using this. Or M$ has to host all of its data gathering on azure government.

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        The entire point of recall is that it’s running locally. That’s why only a very very very small subset of all Windows 11 PCs support it. Only “copilot+” pc supports it which are PCs with very specific processors with AI processing. Most notably the new Snapdragon arm PCs.

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      There’s nothing to laugh about. The maniacally evil thing about recall is, that it doesn’t matter what you do to keep your devices clean. If you interact with someone who doesn’t keep his devices clean, which is 100% of us, you’re on recall

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        That’s literally what Linux updates are

        Anyway if you read the article it’s opt in and fully removable.

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          Updates in Linux are not random third party scripts you find online, why are you spreading this lie?

          You go into your app store/software centre and click update. To the user, this is all they see.

          If you want to feel like a hacker, or find it quicker, you can open a terminal run sudo dnf update or whatever. That’s still not a random third party script, though.

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            Lol you’re arguing like you’re an expert but only providing instructions for… what, fedora and rhel? And saying that running your package manager from the command line is to “feel like a hacker?” What a laugh. Fun fact there’s a range of distros that don’t have proper UIs for their package manager, and the vast majority don’t use dnf.

            What exactly do you think is inside of those packages? Who made those scripts? You’re running those scripts as root. Is that safe?