Hey, I never said he was a saint. Plus this was pre WWII, partisans were already being recruited and yes, they hated Germans… because Gremans hated Slavs. You know what the Nazi plan was? One, eliminate Jews, two, eliminate gypsies, three, elimites slavs. We were on the elimination list, no doubt there. Just because we weren’t immidiately exterminated doesn’t mean our turn wouldn’t have came after the Nazis were done with the previous two on the list. You know how many slavs died in labour camps, doing Nazi bidding? My guess is, Tito did this to try and scare the Nazis away from the Balkans… can’t say for certain, but I do know that he was the leader of a federation with over 6 different nations in it, he never once showed pereference or hate for one or another. Sure, things needed to be balanced, so sometimes one came first, others second, third, etc., but in general, he really did try and treat everyone as equal.
Some people were very cross with him for turning his back on Stalin and centering with the US. But, regardless, he needed them to run the country… so, he decided not to change the name of the party to “socialist” to get on the good side of the Stallinists in Yugoslavia. This was planned, but it was never done. The name stayed KPJ (Communist Party of Yugoslavia).
My point is, sacraficies have to be made for the greater good. Sometimes that means doing horrible things to others. Is that justified? Depends how you look at things… if killing a few thousand people will save you from having an actual war with hundreds of thousands of casualties… the choice is tough, but it has to be done. Tito knew this and he wasn’t proud of what he did, but he knew it had to be done. Same goes for Goli Otok and other nationalists that were killed on his watch. Yes, it’s not pretty, but it has to he done… to keep the piece.
You have to understand, the Balkans haven’t seen piece in centuries, there was always turmoil here. And then shows up a guy that promises piece, equality and ruling of the people… and he actually did just that! Not just on paper, there was piece! Yes, I do agree that that comes at a price. Would I make the same choices if, let’s say, I was in charge and that could avoid the war in Bosnia? Yes, I most defintely would. I won’t be proud of it and will probably try to forget it ever happend (so I could keep on living… otherwise, I’d probably commit suicide), but yes, I’d do it.
Sorry, I meant after the end… got mixed up (it was late).
Dude, this wasn’t before WWII, this was after the end of the war. Around 175,000 people whose families had lived there for a couple hundred years and spoke German for historical reasons were ethnically cleansed from Yugoslavia.
Hm, wonder why someone who spoke German on a teritory occupied by the Germans during WWII would be cleansed from that place 🤔…
A few hundred thousand people had to flee the country and walk to Germany or otherwise make their way to places like North America.
People hated Germans after WWII. My guess is, he was just trying to keep a clean slate, not let history repeat itself. There was enough bloodshed on the Balkans, it’s time for piece… and people speaking German RIGHT AFTER WWII in a place you’re trying to make into a federation and let everyone live in piece… yeah, I kinda get his reasoning.
Sure Tito wasn’t Hitler, but he definitely walked in his footsteps.
You didn’t live here, you have no idea how things were. It was nice, people had piece… not just bought piece, it was the true meaning of the word, something that hasn’t happened in centuries here. Agreed, that has to come at a cost, but the US does it every day and they rarely get backlash for it.
Sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. It’s that simple. This is true in any society. People that don’t agree with that society’s leaders and strategies can make problems for them. Why make their lives harder.
Hey, I never said he was a saint. Plus this was pre WWII, partisans were already being recruited and yes, they hated Germans… because Gremans hated Slavs. You know what the Nazi plan was? One, eliminate Jews, two, eliminate gypsies, three, elimites slavs. We were on the elimination list, no doubt there. Just because we weren’t immidiately exterminated doesn’t mean our turn wouldn’t have came after the Nazis were done with the previous two on the list. You know how many slavs died in labour camps, doing Nazi bidding? My guess is, Tito did this to try and scare the Nazis away from the Balkans… can’t say for certain, but I do know that he was the leader of a federation with over 6 different nations in it, he never once showed pereference or hate for one or another. Sure, things needed to be balanced, so sometimes one came first, others second, third, etc., but in general, he really did try and treat everyone as equal.
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Anyone that busts Stalin’s balls that hard can be forgiven those rookie cleansing numbers. (/S)
Shit, Israel beat it by a factor of ten in just three months. (No /s)
Some people were very cross with him for turning his back on Stalin and centering with the US. But, regardless, he needed them to run the country… so, he decided not to change the name of the party to “socialist” to get on the good side of the Stallinists in Yugoslavia. This was planned, but it was never done. The name stayed KPJ (Communist Party of Yugoslavia).
My point is, sacraficies have to be made for the greater good. Sometimes that means doing horrible things to others. Is that justified? Depends how you look at things… if killing a few thousand people will save you from having an actual war with hundreds of thousands of casualties… the choice is tough, but it has to be done. Tito knew this and he wasn’t proud of what he did, but he knew it had to be done. Same goes for Goli Otok and other nationalists that were killed on his watch. Yes, it’s not pretty, but it has to he done… to keep the piece.
You have to understand, the Balkans haven’t seen piece in centuries, there was always turmoil here. And then shows up a guy that promises piece, equality and ruling of the people… and he actually did just that! Not just on paper, there was piece! Yes, I do agree that that comes at a price. Would I make the same choices if, let’s say, I was in charge and that could avoid the war in Bosnia? Yes, I most defintely would. I won’t be proud of it and will probably try to forget it ever happend (so I could keep on living… otherwise, I’d probably commit suicide), but yes, I’d do it.
Sorry, I meant after the end… got mixed up (it was late).
Hm, wonder why someone who spoke German on a teritory occupied by the Germans during WWII would be cleansed from that place 🤔…
People hated Germans after WWII. My guess is, he was just trying to keep a clean slate, not let history repeat itself. There was enough bloodshed on the Balkans, it’s time for piece… and people speaking German RIGHT AFTER WWII in a place you’re trying to make into a federation and let everyone live in piece… yeah, I kinda get his reasoning.
You didn’t live here, you have no idea how things were. It was nice, people had piece… not just bought piece, it was the true meaning of the word, something that hasn’t happened in centuries here. Agreed, that has to come at a cost, but the US does it every day and they rarely get backlash for it.
Sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. It’s that simple. This is true in any society. People that don’t agree with that society’s leaders and strategies can make problems for them. Why make their lives harder.