cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42834907
“The reason we’re here is because the government of the United States wants you to leave the United States,” Judge Ubaid ul-Haq, presiding from a courtroom on Varick Street, told a group of about a dozen children on a recent morning on Webex.
The parties included a 7-year-old boy, wearing a shirt emblazoned with a pizza cartoon, who spun a toy windmill while the judge spoke. There was an 8-year-old girl and her 4-year-old sister, in a tie-dye shirt, who squeezed a pink plushy toy and stuffed it into her sleeve. None of the children were accompanied by parents or attorneys, only shelter workers who helped them log on to the hearing.
Immigrant advocates and lawyers say an increasing number of migrant children are making immigration court appearances without the assistance of attorneys, which they say will lead to more children getting deported.
“That child will be ordered deported from this country — that could all happen without that child ever speaking with an attorney and given the opportunity to obtain representation,” Shah said. “The cruelty is really apparent to all of us out here in the field.”
holy shit
Yeah, this is the part where the Nazis were rounding up the gypsies. That’s where we are right now.
Maybe if these KIDS didn’t WANT to be in Court they SHOULDNT have Committed CRIMES!
-Republicans who Voted for the 34 FELONIES Candidate!
Why are they spending time in a courtroom when they could be in the mines?
Oh just fuck off with that DEI shit. I am so sick of being put down because I’m a white man in America. Just one more job i wouldn’t do being taken away from me by illegals.
I volunteered at a soup kitchen once and the place was filled with able body white libs who are too lazy to work. Send them to the mines first.
I mean, I assume that’s who was there taking the handouts. I couldn’t actually show up that day. But I did volunteer and least.
Point is, there are plenty of Americans that should be forced to work in the mines first.
*just as an aside, I’m trying my hand at being maga. Wanted to practice some first, not sure this comment is angry or stupid enough. Any pointers appreciated.
It’s good but you forgot to capitalise the buzzwords: “If any LIBERALS really want HANDOUTS, maybe they can try their hands out in the MINES!” Then throw in a laughing emoji after saying something totally dangerous: “Honestly if you have democrat parents you should have to pay more for school 😂”
Jesus Christ, this is awful
This has been going on for many years.
If that’s true, let’s be glad it’s getting attention now.
It was getting attention in 2018 too. John Oliver even did an episode about it. People just don’t care as long as it isn’t them.
I keep caring harder and harder but that just makes me more anxious.
Also, am Canadian so it’s not like I can do anything about it.
I feel crazy when I read these kinds of articles over the past few months, because I’ll have a flash back to a few years ago where the exact same shit went down. And here they go again, this time cranked to 11. The show Orange is The New Black dedicated a whole subplot in their final season back in 2019 on how ICE was operating and what they were pulling. Immigration raids disguised as police raids, the indefinite detention of nonviolent migrants, inhumane conditions in holding, insufficient medical care/attention, etc.
One scene later in the season depicts the article above exactly, a group of children being put before a judge that they couldn’t understand for many reasons; lack of representation, the language barrier, or because the kid is all of 2 years old.
Why are we not burning the white house down or dismantling any ICE facilities? 😬
Because if you do you will probably be killed or sent to El Salvador. Unless most people are doing it, nobody wants to take that risk.
Jesus Christ, we’re fucking monsters.
Judge: I will help you since you have no lawyer.
4 year old girl: No habla Engles
following translated:
Judge: Where were you born?
girl: I don’t remember. I was too young.
Judge: If you show me a US birth certificate or SS ID card, I can help you not be deported.
girl: uhhh… what? what is words?
If the parents are being deported anyway, why don’t they let their children go with them?
If a 4 year old (with her 8 yo sister next to her) is unable to realise and say that they had some papers related to their birth, which were separated from them (probably confiscated by the ICE and disposed off) I’d say, it’s better for them to be deported.
Hopefully to a country with lesser brain-rot/poison in the water. Really, someone (country) just come and accept the children already. They need a better place than that.Even better. Once they are accepted in a more reasonable country, they might have a better chance at reuniting with their parents.
I’d say, this is a good time for action for governments that are looking for more next-generation population.If the parents are being deported anyway, why don’t they let their children go with them?
It’s helpful when someone who is going to say something dumb says, “I didn’t read the article and will now assume what it said,” in their opening sentence. Thank you internet dumb person, thank you.
There are no guardians, that is the point. The adults that were helping were lawyer groups to help discover if these children were, oh, idk, born here and thus citizens of the country under the US Constitution. Trump de-funded that group. So now a four year old is appointed as their own lawyer. Government Efficiency at its finest!
Imagine (please don’t hurt your brain, it’s okay if you can’t imagine, you are doing your best) you are four, the police pick them up. They ask, “Please share with us your documents to prove your citizenship. No adult help allowed.” You’d be in Mexico too, probably smarter than you are now so hey maybe a positive outcome for you.
God damn, what an unempathetic illiterate asshole.
READ you stupid fuck. REAAAD.
Mate the 4 year old could just hire a lawyer like everyone else does. Why does the government need to help her? She was already born, now she should pull herself up by the bootstraps instead of asking for handouts.
You’re right, I didn’t think of that. Damn toddlers soaking up social services. I was wrong before, I apologize.
Judge Ubaid ul-Haq should be ashamed for even presiding over that farce.
They can preside over it, but they should just have dismissed the case with prejudice for the government not providing a lawyer.
Unfortunately the law does not obligate the govt to provide a lawyer.
Edit: In immigration court. This is not a criminal court.
Edit edit: The number of people unable to comprehend the difference is giving me insight into just how bad the education system is in the states.
Edit edit edit: Apparently me explaining the facts of the matter makes me a bad guy 🤦
This is not a criminal court. From the article:
Unlike in criminal court, people — including adults and children — in immigration court aren’t guaranteed pro bono attorneys if their incomes fall below a certain threshold.
That doesn’t matter
The constitution doesn’t make convenience exceptions.
Haha your bio is spot on
