It’s my personal take that it seems obvious that when Kurtzman says he doesn’t care about violating canon because it’s too complicated, that he never really wanted to be tied down to the TOS era.

Kurtzman has never said that. I would really appreciate it if you could stick to actual quotes from people instead of your own personal opinion on what he meant and then paraphrasing to the point that it isn’t even what he originally said.

The first few seasons of the show are bizarre and jerky. They introduced tech and concepts that were too advanced for the timeline that didn’t make a ton of sense.

First off, no. They didn’t introduce any tech or concepts in Discovery that were more advanced. This is a common complaint that is based off of misunderstandings on canon. Holograms were talked about existing in this time period by Tuvok and in Enterprise we see holographic technology being found. To think that it would be developed on an early scale and be glitchy as hell (As seen) is totally within the bounds of reality and sensibility. The only group to have tech more advanced is Section 31, as you said.

Section 31 is my big example of that, because they have TNG-levels of equipment with combadges and a hyper advanced fleet.

Well, yeah. That’s how it works in reality too. Secretive organizations get access to way more advanced technology and utilizes it first and foremost for themselves. Then eventually as it is surpassed, it is released to lower levels and even civilians. This has been happening in America for the past like 80 years. It’s not remotely surprising that the super secretive organization that doesn’t have any real oversight and has more or less an unlimited budget is more advanced in certain respects. Also you call the fleet ‘hyper advanced’ but there really isn’t anything to show that they are. They are black, have automatic fighters recessed into the hull instead of in a bay and look different, that’s about it. One of the ships has holographic cloaking technology that we saw. Other than that? They don’t even have full tractor beams. They have a combo of the grapplers from Enterprise and tractor beams.

hey operate more or less out in the open which is the total opposite purpose of a secret police in anything other than a Romulan or Cardassian-style military dictatorship

That’s just a complete lie. They don’t operate out in the open at all. The only people that they make themselves known to (outside of people they hire like Ash Tyler) is Captain Pike, some of the Discovery crew (how far that goes is unknown) and Chancellor L’Rell. Pike has mandates that supercede even General Order One, Discovery had black badges on board in the first few episodes so they of course are read into what Section 31 is, and L’Rell made an agreement with the Federation behind the backs of the Klingons. Her knowing about Section 31 is the least of anyones issues here. The only other people you could argue are the Kelpians from the Second Season finale and there’s no evidence that they were told what Section 31 was. They could have just been told “attack these targets” with no information.

My problem with Season 1 was that all of the solutions presented are so un-Starfleet. I understand they are consulting with Mirror universe assholes but planting a bomb in the planet core and then handing the detonator to a rebel faction is like, one of the most insane solutions I’ve ever seen come up with as a Star Trek plot

You seem to be very casually forgetting a metric fuckload of things that Starfleet has done across TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT. Starfleet isn’t some goody two shoes organization that you are trying to pretend that it is. They’re a blend of strong ideals and morals with often awful execution. Something that goes perfectly in line with Discovery. What sort of things do you say?

Well. Admiral Nechayev ordered Picard to genocide the Borg without any hesitation, yet we know they can be unplugged and returned to an individual state. That’s pretty fucked up. The creation of Section 31, or at least the allowance of it, is pretty fucked up. They violated treaties with the Romulans to try and develop cloaking. Stone in TOS offers to sweep Kirks accusation of murder under the rug. Or what about that time that they conspired to murder the fucking Klingon Chancellor and Federation President? Maybe that time with Red Squad that had blind loyalty to Starfleet to the point of getting themselves killed, showing every problem with Starfleet? You didn’t listen to any of the Maquis talking about the horrible shit Starfleet does and how it throws lives away for political gain? Forget about that time that they poisoned the changelings and were so dedicated to making sure that they were eliminated that a dude killed himself to prevent the cure from being handed over? Or are you forgetting about General Order 24 that allows a Captain to sterilize a planet? Or the Omega Protocol where every other rule is suspended to eliminate a threat, no matter what the hell anyone says? Putting their own ideals above anyone elses?

It’s perfectly Starfleet.

I’m interested as to why you enjoy the series, because I’m here to converse even if we disagree.

I’ve talked plenty about why I like it in the past and I have in other comments. I’m more interested in why you keep picking and choosing parts of Star Trek to fit your own personal narrative.

Edit: I added a bit of tech to the Section 31 part.

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