• Croquette@sh.itjust.works
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    Capitalism isn’t trading good for/with currency though. Socialist and Communist societies would still use currency as it is a lot easier than bartering everything. And in Socialists society, you can still have lending and investments.

    Capitalism is the means of production and trade owned by private entities (be it a person or a corporation) to make profits.

    You are right though, inevitably, capitalism leads to consolidation and monopolies which we see today.

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        Capitalism, Socialism and Communism are only how the means of production/trade is owned. Wage labor can still exist.

        In capitalism, the means of production and trade are owned by private entities. Worker trade their labour for a set wage. All the profit goes to the owner/shareholder.

        In socialism, the worker owns the means of production and trade. If a coop is more profitable than the next one, the worker of the first coop get more money. The profits are distributed amongst the workers that produced the goods. The workers own the coop/company.

        In communism, the state owns the mean of production. The profits of the coop/company goes back to the state and are then redistributed in the society.

        Socialism can still have investment, but the returns necessarily be money. A certain good is needed. The worker pool their money to build a factory and make a successful product. The workers then get a return on their investment (they make more money than they initially had).

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          All those examples are capitalism and changes absolutely nothing for humanity except the shape of the slave driver. Your mistake is thinking of commodity production and wage labor as unchanging, eternal states of being which comes from the bourgeois economic ideology taught to you, a notion Marx already destroyed. There was a “before” capitalist production and there will be an “after”

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      Trading with currency is the basis for capitalism. Capitalism is lending/investing. When you don’t have any actual wares at hand, but currency, virtual value, you trade for higher future virtual value.

      • Croquette@sh.itjust.works
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        You could barter cows and still be in a capitalistic society. It just wouldn’t be

        Currency is just a way to simplify a transaction. I have a cow thatis valued at 100$. I get 100$ that I then spend on whatever. I don’t need to trade a cow for a 100 eggs, then keep 10 eggs and trade for butters.

        Lending isn’t inherently capitalistic. I can lend a 100$ to my friend to start a business and he gives me back a 100$ after a time, no interest.

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          Communism is when the government steals your cows and gives you back the milk as rations.

          Capitalism is when you have somebody milk the cow for you and then you sell the milk and get rich and everyone calls you Mr Milkman the Millionaire.

          As you can see capitalism is a much preferable system.