Apparently this happened three weeks ago and the news is just coming out now. Winston Peters as usual has no idea what is happening and is too busy licking Trump’s boots to actually say or do anything.

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    Some poor desperate South-American, possibly not fully aware of the situation and trying his luck there I can sympathise with.
    She decided to go live in the banana republic, then came back from Canada without proper documents.

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      Her son had all his valid paperwork on him, she said, which meant he was being held illegally.

      People make mistakes, but yeah go off about a six-year-old being detained I guess.

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        You don’t immigrate somewhere ‘by mistake’.
        And what happened to her son is totally her responsability

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          The mistake was her own paperwork not being in order for her trip to and from Canada, something you acknowledged in your own comment, so I’m going to assume you’re just responding in bad faith.

          What happened to her son is awful, trying to excuse it as “her responsibility” is disgusting.

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            LOL save your crocodile tears.
            SHE decided to live there, SHE took her son with her while SHE didn’t have the right documents.
            Who made her do all that? Whose responsibility is it then?
            Looks like she’s a shitty mother or an icredibly stubid one at best.
            You defending that and being from NZ yourself makes me think the Brits didn’t send their smartest criminals and colonizers over there at the time.

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              Where are you from and why are you commenting here then? I’m not defending her, I just have a human amount of empathy and am placing the blame where it belongs.

              Also not actually from NZ mate. I’m just here because I care about my cousins from across the ditch.

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                So you didn’t answer the question, who if not her is to blame for traveling without the required documents?
                You are simply shifting blame.
                And I do have empathy for people who deserve it as I explained in my first comment.
                I’ll repeat it since you also have trouble with your short term memory.

                Some poor desperate South-American, possibly not fully aware of the situation and trying his luck there I can sympathise with

                She FAFO, you can send her money if you want, IDGAF.
                I guess the 1000’s of families with kids in cages under Biden and now Trump didn’t deserve a Gofundme or news coverage.
                But as someone mentioned here “even white people from white countries.” is the important difference here.

                Scratch a liberal…

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                  Why are you commenting here? Just to troll?

                  Scratch a liberal…

                  I vote far left actually. I just happen to have empathy for everyone caught up in the US regime. Which you pretty clearly don’t have. You could just as easily say that Central and South Americans chose to go to the US in search of a better life. However, that would obviously be fluffing psychotic.

                  Edit: Also this is news coverage in a New Zealand community, on a New Zealand site, by a New Zealand news service, because she’s a New Zealander. Her being white doesn’t have anything to do with it, and I imagine the coverage would be the same if she were, say, Maori. Don’t conflate a lack of American news coverage of child detention in America, with an entirely different country prioritising news about its own citizens.

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                    I just happen to have empathy for everyone caught up in the US regime

                    SHE decided to live there and decided to risk traveling without the right documents.
                    I feel sorry for the kid who has to suffer bcs of her actions.
                    Not one bit for her.

                    Her being white doesn’t have anything to do with it

                    Apparently it does since I quoted another commenter who was indignified about just that.
                    Oh no, this could happen to a WHITE woman! And it is also news in the US and CAnada.

                    Now quickly name one of the 1000’s of S-Americans that went through much worse since Biden, being separated from their children, not especially brought to a facility where they could be together as they did for her.
                    Can you? No, they’re just nameless ‘immigrants’.

                    It was exactly the same with the ukraine war.
                    Maybe far-left means something different in NZ, and the double standard/racism escapes you.
                    Then again, I know little about NZ.
                    A personal experience from a friend who wanted to live there with his NZ girlfriend he met while traveling and came back bcs they didn’t accept him.
                    And he is a white European.
                    That and the Christchurch shootings OC
                    Good chance this ‘poor mother’ is a Trump loving racist herself, but that would be inconvenient for the story.

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      From a different article:

      Originally entering the U.S. sponsored by her ex-husband, Shaw is now in the process of seeking a green card independently under a domestic violence survivor’s provision. According to the GoFundMe, Shaw had work authorization but not travel permissions just yet, as part of what is known as a “combo card”, while her son did.

      "Sarah had been waiting on some travel documents to be approved. But once her visa and her children’s visas were cleared, she felt comfortable taking them to Canada. We assumed everything was fine.“

      ICE Detains Woman in Green Card Process and Son at Canadian Border — Newsweek

      So she is in the U.S. legally under a work permit, is seeking citizenship legally after her husband abused her (having abandoned a prior attempt at a spousal green card), and was granted a travel visa by Canada, but was not authorized to travel by the U.S.

      Does that change your interpretation of events or add any nuance to them?

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        This has nothing to do with her work permit or whatever.
        In an interview her friends said she had a visa but she was waiting on the travel permit and decided to cross the border anyway without it.
        She’s clearly not the smartest tool in the shed (already obvious from her decision to go live in the banana republic)
        I feel sorry for the kid who is the victim, her not one bit.

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          Ah, you’re conflating her understanding of the situation after she realized there is an issue with her understanding of the situation before she realized there was an issue to justify callous comments devoid of empathy.

          She’s got 3 kids and is a victim of domestic violence. Perhaps her choice to stay was rooted in some unfair custody arrangement that would see her losing one or more of her children. That’s conjecture. We may never know the details of her reasons. But we do know that you could have chosen to say nothing.

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            Are you dense too?
            " 3 kids and is a victim of domestic violence. " has got shit to do with her moving to the shithole before.
            It’s her selfish decision to not wait for the travel permit that is the problem.
            These are the facts and her fault that poor kid has to suffer.
            If you have nothing but irrelevant emotional BS and conjecture maybe you should choose to say nothing.

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              Originally entering the U.S. sponsored by her ex-husband

              It might have to do with her moving.

              What you deem as ‘emotional BS’ establishes that she’s got other things to focus on than the nuances of immigration law, and a pretty darn good reason to stay in the U.S., should custody be messy.

              I just really don’t know what to say here. Best of luck in the world. I hope you figure it out.

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            Nope, you’re definitely not that smart.
            I gave a hypothetical example of someone ( South American) deserving of sympathy.
            Besides that you don’t even get the simple facts right that this woman didn’t have the travel documents.
            I’m not a kindergarten teacher so I won’t waste more time explaining stuff.
            Good luck with that bad mother, bye