Feminists treat men badly. It’s bad for feminism.
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The fixation on men behaving badly distracts from more fundamental issues.

This is an excellent article by Cathy Young, exposing some of the widespread misandry within feminism.

I don’t agree with every point she makes. I think the 1848 demonizing of men is way more serious and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed. But that doesn’t take away from her main point: feminism is full of misandry, and if they want to be taken seriously by men, they need to address that.

  • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    How about by the Duluth Model teaching cops to always arrest the male, leading to far more and far more harmful systemic sexist discrimination?

    Is it based on feminist theory or rather in the conservative view of the male as aggressive and violent?

    Are they allowed to feel affected by that, oh arbiter of what people are and aren’t being affected by?

    I did not apply for that position, not sure why you are asking me. People are allowed to feel how ever they feel like. Oh wait, not in conservative society.

    How about males being specifically ignored in sexual assault data collection, leading to 7 out of every 10 adult US men having been strapped down and mutilated as children having to listen to people whine about the “sexual assault epidemic” and how 1 in 4 women are “victims”?

    Again, how is this feminist fault? Once again the classical archetype of a man being aggressive and violent seems to be the problem here. Like the other guy, you are blaming feminism for issues that clearly root in patriarchal view in men.

    How about having a gun thrown in their hands while feminists have and continue to exempt themselves and other women from the draft, at every opportunity, including last year?

    Now feminist invented the draft?

    You could try going outside and seeing the billboards saying “1 in 4 homeless are women, donate to a women’s specific homeless shelter today to stop this epidemic!” like i have to?

    How is this demonizing men?

    tbh, i can keep going, but at this point you’re clearly delusional in your defense of feminism, and i should know because i have this same “my cult is never wrong” discussion with religious people, and they use the same arguments and tactics to protect their worldview from being challenged.

    Sure much easier just to say your opponent is delusional and ride into the sunset. Why answering me in the first place if you think that a conversation with me has no merit?

    a sexist one that blames all men for the actions of a few

    Except it does not.

    and ignores any and all women perpetuating those actions,

    It explicitly does not.

    Have you ever read anything by feminist outside some crazy people on the internet. Like Simone de Beauvoir or something? You seem to have a completely wrong understanding.

      • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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        1 year ago

        From the Wikipedia article it seems to work rather well:

        An early U.S. government sponsored study found that batterers who complete programs based on the Duluth Model are less likely to repeat acts of domestic violence than those who do not complete any batterers’ intervention program

        And the feminist author seems to have realized it short comings herself. But sure like with anything there will be bad expressions of feminism.

        I really don’t get why you prescribe the violent aggressive man to feminist theory. It’s the opposite - that is the classical view of men and often the root of the problems men face in society. Feminism on the other hand tells men that they can have other roles, they don’t need to be the defender, protector, earner etc. - does not mean that they can’t - but that they can chose. It’s the conservative view that puts all the pressure on that you are experiencing.