The boomers aren’t a monolith. It’s millions of people with different experiences and actions throughout their lives.
Did a large number vote/legislate themselves into this problem? Yes. Are millions of others also along for the ride despite not supporting this system? Also, yes.
The issues in this article aren’t even applicable to boomers exclusively. Gen-X is a big portion of the population mentioned in the article. This isn’t a generational problem, it’s a class problem.
And don’t forget the fact that if these systemic issues aren’t addressed, we’ll all face the consequences.
Damn fuckin straight. No one that hangs out in these kinds of places is sane enough to contribute to what’s going on out there. The least sane think they do and they’ll create 45 comment long unpopulated wastelands proving as much.
It’s kinda hilarious to see “everyone” act as if they’re above the exact same shit that happened on Reddit, and yet the vast majority of us were from reddit and absolutely aren’t sane.
I mean I’ve read more about guillotines and communism on lemmy this past year than I ever did in the 11 years I was on reddit.
I know I am, because I usually come posting here when I have temperature and feel bad and have to direct my attention and anxiety somewhere. EDIT: … so conscious of posting the exact same shit, but above because of knowing it
Those who were taken along for the ride and actively voted against these are a small minority. I can see some benefit of helping them but would need to see what percentage of them actually need it.
The rest of them fucked around and need to find out or we’re just going to keep doing this shit generation after generation. Those on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale have happily voted for regressive policies. Fuck’em.
They already fucked our planet, I owe them nothing. We owe them nothing. They owe us.
It’s not a small minority. Look at the results of every presidential election since the 1980s, they’re not representative of an overwhelming majority of the population. Nor are the republican/democratic splits in Congress.
But that’s all besides the point. These generational lines are all arbitrary anyways. We agree there are problems with the status quo–do you think the fixes just shouldn’t apply to anyone over 55? Would you be okay with that logic being applied to yourself in 30+ years?
For as long as you continue to think the problem is age and not class (which you are a fool to think that every boomer is upper class or vice-versa), you will contribute nothing to real change. You’re playing directly into petty division politics like a good little prolie.
So you’re saying you supported everything trump did while President? I mean… you were of voting age while he was elected right? So clearly you agree with everything done? And you agree with everything currently being done?
Funny. My understanding of political history isn’t limited to the past 10 years. The people hitting retirement age today overwhelming supported Reagan in the 1980’s. They’ve had decades to correct their mistake, they’ve had decades to prepare for a proper retirement in the world they created. They have chosen poorly.
Ant and the Grasshopper. They chose to be the grasshopper and dancing away decades of their lives. Now a significant percentage of them approach retirement with zero savings. Fucking zero! Their inability to prepare for the inevitable is not my problem.
The message from the boomers has always been that we cannot afford it. Now that it’s them in need, cost is no issue.
I am more than happy to help the generations younger than myself shore up retirement.'They were born into the shit and most of will never have a chance to save anything significant.
Everyone older than me can get fucked.
But we need to act now or you’re fucked anyway. Remove the cap on social security. Raise taxes on the wealthy. There are dozens of these options that have been floated about for decades.
Save yourselves before you try and save others, half of whom wouldn’t bother to save you once they are comfortable.
Just wait until they say that about you. I don’t know what your age is, but your generational cohort certainly hasn’t done everything perfectly either. No “generation” ever has, and never will.
I don’t need to wait. I encourage you to do it now.
Don’t worry about me. Take care of yourself first.
Don’t assume those younger than you will take care of you.
Take responsibility. Take control. If that means you burn this motherfucker to the ground to make it happen, I will support you. But don’t do it because I would support it, do it because it’s what you feel is necessary.
Nope. The problem is not class. They could have implemented a better world and choose not to.
I hear you bud. I would suggest what you actually mean is that the problem is class and it’s the Boomers who are siding with capitalist class against the working class. People try to gaslight us into thinking our criticism of Boomer means that we’re creating this division. We are not. They are intentionally fucking us over.
Eh I would give that comment some grace. They’ve been misled to believe attacking Boomers is being a class traitor. Rather than the reality which is that Boomers are generally either capitalists themselves or working class traitors.
It’s always they’re not a monolith and true enough but if a literal vote doesn’t represent the overall will of the group then that’s implying thay democracy doesn’t work. If most of them voted for this then thats what most of them wanted. We have exit polls and data on this, it’s not as if anyone’s attributing to a group characteristics that only a few of them have, it’s the clear majority, year over year.
The will of the majority shouldn’t infringe on the liberty of the minority. Might shouldn’t make right.
Are you saying the actions of a portion of an arbitrarily defined group should condemn the group as a whole? I’ll ask the same question I asked another commenter; are you okay with that same principle being applied to you in the future?
It’s being applied to me now. Every thread talking about millennials political preferences top comment is always ‘then they should actually vote’ despite the fact that I havent missed an election. The least we can do is keep the same consistency here. Im not here to coddle boomers and treat them in higher regard than how we get treated. You get what you give and the majority of boomers are also getting exactly what they voted for. Must be nice, that’s not a luxury my generation has.
Also whos being condemed? Are you suggesting honoring the democratic outcome of a vote of a group is condeming them? If so then who exactly did the condeming? No one says I’m being condemed when I have to live with shit I didn’t vote for, the comparison is ridiculous.
We agree the current “boomer” policies are inadequate and should be changed, yes? Then is your position that improvements to the status quo should exclude people of a certain age because of how a portion of that population has voted?
If that’s your position, then that’s condemnation. The entire group is being excluded from the solution, despite only a portion having created the problem in the first place.
Apply that logic to any minority/disadvantaged/disenfranchised group, and see where it takes you. Should all Palestinians be punished because they didn’t do enough to stop Hamas? Should black Americans born in the 1910s not have enjoyed the benefits of the Civil Rights movement because they didn’t affect enough change in their youth?
So did millions of any other group of people you can think of; white, black, rich, poor, young, and old. Are they all uncompromising pieces of shit too? Is voting for Biden the mark of the beast, and once marked you’re never entitled to government reforms?
Or is there some other purity test one must pass before being eligible for support?
Other groups are welcome to vote for whomever they like. Boomers are not. They have caused so much damage and fucked over so many people. They have no business continuing to do so.
No dude if we can just get rid of the Juden Boomers, all of our problems will be solved because the Juden Boomers are all responsible for every problem in The Reich America.
It’s all the same rhetoric. The Jews, the Blacks, the Boomers, the Zoomers, the Christians, the Muslims, etc.
Any comment that blames anything but class as being the only reason for why things are so bad is contributing nothing and hurting actual progress. A 1%er Zoomer does more harm in a single day than a 99th-percentile Boomer does in their lifetime.
Boomers are not an oppressed minority, literally the fucking opposite, what in the hell are you on about and wtf is wrong with you comparing reasonable hatred for the generation that fucked us all over to antisemitism? Not at all comparable, you’re just going to bat for a generation that wants you to pay their social security while trying to get it abolished before you get any
The generation didn’t fuck you over, the bourgeoisie did, as they always have. The fact that some of the bourgeoisie is made up of baby boomers is purely incidental. You are not being oppressed by Thomas James, 76 year-old local caterer who marched for Civil Rights before you were even born.
Thomas James is dead. He had to work his entire life and died because he couldn’t afford the meds he needed, or got run over at a civil rights march, or just broke his body with labor and broke half his bones falling down the stairs. Almost all the good boomers are dead, and there were very few to start with. They’re the most conservative voting block out there afaik, maybe older people are worse on average but I doubt it. Boomers and the bourgeoisie are both to blame for the shit situation we’re in. Less so with boomers, but you sure as fuck shouldn’t be letting them off the hook or defending them when they’ve never done the same for you
No amount of downvotes is gonna make the boomers give a shit about you :P they’re still gonna vote conservative and think they’re entitled to your money
True, but the vast majority did, and even the “good” ones are usually the kind of democrat that wants Hillary Clinton as president and wants to bomb more middle eastern countries. Obviously there’s exceptions, but most boomers have voted to fuck over themselves and everyone else, and now want others to pay them so they don’t have to experience the consequences
Remember, boomers voted against their own interests for decades. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
The boomers aren’t a monolith. It’s millions of people with different experiences and actions throughout their lives.
Did a large number vote/legislate themselves into this problem? Yes. Are millions of others also along for the ride despite not supporting this system? Also, yes.
The issues in this article aren’t even applicable to boomers exclusively. Gen-X is a big portion of the population mentioned in the article. This isn’t a generational problem, it’s a class problem.
And don’t forget the fact that if these systemic issues aren’t addressed, we’ll all face the consequences.
Get out of here with your nuanced take. Where do you think you are?
My friend, this isn’t Reddit. We are in the land of the sane. I mean not entirely but to a much larger extent than “big” social media.
Now, hold up…
Damn fuckin straight. No one that hangs out in these kinds of places is sane enough to contribute to what’s going on out there. The least sane think they do and they’ll create 45 comment long unpopulated wastelands proving as much.
It’s kinda hilarious to see “everyone” act as if they’re above the exact same shit that happened on Reddit, and yet the vast majority of us were from reddit and absolutely aren’t sane.
I mean I’ve read more about guillotines and communism on lemmy this past year than I ever did in the 11 years I was on reddit.
I know I am, because I usually come posting here when I have temperature and feel bad and have to direct my attention and anxiety somewhere. EDIT: … so conscious of posting the exact same shit, but above because of knowing it
Actions have consequences.
Those who were taken along for the ride and actively voted against these are a small minority. I can see some benefit of helping them but would need to see what percentage of them actually need it.
The rest of them fucked around and need to find out or we’re just going to keep doing this shit generation after generation. Those on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale have happily voted for regressive policies. Fuck’em.
They already fucked our planet, I owe them nothing. We owe them nothing. They owe us.
Let them eat cat food.
It’s not a small minority. Look at the results of every presidential election since the 1980s, they’re not representative of an overwhelming majority of the population. Nor are the republican/democratic splits in Congress.
But that’s all besides the point. These generational lines are all arbitrary anyways. We agree there are problems with the status quo–do you think the fixes just shouldn’t apply to anyone over 55? Would you be okay with that logic being applied to yourself in 30+ years?
For as long as you continue to think the problem is age and not class (which you are a fool to think that every boomer is upper class or vice-versa), you will contribute nothing to real change. You’re playing directly into petty division politics like a good little prolie.
Boomers are the ones voting against working class. Take a look at the 2020 DNC primaries. They elected Joe fucking Biden.
Nope. The problem is not class. They could have implemented a better world and choose not to.
They choose to support policies that did this to them. Fuck them and fuck you for falling for it.
They’ve had decades to tax the billionaires into millionaires but they chose not to and they continue to choose not.
So you’re saying you supported everything trump did while President? I mean… you were of voting age while he was elected right? So clearly you agree with everything done? And you agree with everything currently being done?
Funny. My understanding of political history isn’t limited to the past 10 years. The people hitting retirement age today overwhelming supported Reagan in the 1980’s. They’ve had decades to correct their mistake, they’ve had decades to prepare for a proper retirement in the world they created. They have chosen poorly.
Ant and the Grasshopper. They chose to be the grasshopper and dancing away decades of their lives. Now a significant percentage of them approach retirement with zero savings. Fucking zero! Their inability to prepare for the inevitable is not my problem.
The message from the boomers has always been that we cannot afford it. Now that it’s them in need, cost is no issue.
I am more than happy to help the generations younger than myself shore up retirement.'They were born into the shit and most of will never have a chance to save anything significant.
Everyone older than me can get fucked.
But we need to act now or you’re fucked anyway. Remove the cap on social security. Raise taxes on the wealthy. There are dozens of these options that have been floated about for decades.
Save yourselves before you try and save others, half of whom wouldn’t bother to save you once they are comfortable.
Just wait until they say that about you. I don’t know what your age is, but your generational cohort certainly hasn’t done everything perfectly either. No “generation” ever has, and never will.
I don’t need to wait. I encourage you to do it now.
Don’t worry about me. Take care of yourself first.
Don’t assume those younger than you will take care of you.
Take responsibility. Take control. If that means you burn this motherfucker to the ground to make it happen, I will support you. But don’t do it because I would support it, do it because it’s what you feel is necessary.
I hear you bud. I would suggest what you actually mean is that the problem is class and it’s the Boomers who are siding with capitalist class against the working class. People try to gaslight us into thinking our criticism of Boomer means that we’re creating this division. We are not. They are intentionally fucking us over.
This tells me everything I need to know about you.
Eh I would give that comment some grace. They’ve been misled to believe attacking Boomers is being a class traitor. Rather than the reality which is that Boomers are generally either capitalists themselves or working class traitors.
It’s always they’re not a monolith and true enough but if a literal vote doesn’t represent the overall will of the group then that’s implying thay democracy doesn’t work. If most of them voted for this then thats what most of them wanted. We have exit polls and data on this, it’s not as if anyone’s attributing to a group characteristics that only a few of them have, it’s the clear majority, year over year.
The will of the majority shouldn’t infringe on the liberty of the minority. Might shouldn’t make right.
Are you saying the actions of a portion of an arbitrarily defined group should condemn the group as a whole? I’ll ask the same question I asked another commenter; are you okay with that same principle being applied to you in the future?
It’s being applied to me now. Every thread talking about millennials political preferences top comment is always ‘then they should actually vote’ despite the fact that I havent missed an election. The least we can do is keep the same consistency here. Im not here to coddle boomers and treat them in higher regard than how we get treated. You get what you give and the majority of boomers are also getting exactly what they voted for. Must be nice, that’s not a luxury my generation has.
Also whos being condemed? Are you suggesting honoring the democratic outcome of a vote of a group is condeming them? If so then who exactly did the condeming? No one says I’m being condemed when I have to live with shit I didn’t vote for, the comparison is ridiculous.
We agree the current “boomer” policies are inadequate and should be changed, yes? Then is your position that improvements to the status quo should exclude people of a certain age because of how a portion of that population has voted?
If that’s your position, then that’s condemnation. The entire group is being excluded from the solution, despite only a portion having created the problem in the first place.
Apply that logic to any minority/disadvantaged/disenfranchised group, and see where it takes you. Should all Palestinians be punished because they didn’t do enough to stop Hamas? Should black Americans born in the 1910s not have enjoyed the benefits of the Civil Rights movement because they didn’t affect enough change in their youth?
By that logic if you are an adult over 22 years old , you are defacto a MAGA member.
Millions of them voted for Biden in the primaries. They insist on perpetuating these problems because they’re selfish uncompromising pieces of shit.
So did millions of any other group of people you can think of; white, black, rich, poor, young, and old. Are they all uncompromising pieces of shit too? Is voting for Biden the mark of the beast, and once marked you’re never entitled to government reforms?
Or is there some other purity test one must pass before being eligible for support?
Other groups are welcome to vote for whomever they like. Boomers are not. They have caused so much damage and fucked over so many people. They have no business continuing to do so.
And because of the ponzi scheme that is social security, future generations will be fucked out of their own retirements.
No dude if we can just get rid of the
JudenBoomers, all of our problems will be solved because theJudenBoomers are all responsible for every problem inThe ReichAmerica.If you replace a word with another word it sounds shitty, who would’ve guessed?
It’s all the same rhetoric. The Jews, the Blacks, the Boomers, the Zoomers, the Christians, the Muslims, etc.
Any comment that blames anything but class as being the only reason for why things are so bad is contributing nothing and hurting actual progress. A 1%er Zoomer does more harm in a single day than a 99th-percentile Boomer does in their lifetime.
Boomers are not an oppressed minority, literally the fucking opposite, what in the hell are you on about and wtf is wrong with you comparing reasonable hatred for the generation that fucked us all over to antisemitism? Not at all comparable, you’re just going to bat for a generation that wants you to pay their social security while trying to get it abolished before you get any
Holy shit you’re still missing the point.
There are boomers who are not wealthy.
The generation didn’t fuck you over, the bourgeoisie did, as they always have. The fact that some of the bourgeoisie is made up of baby boomers is purely incidental. You are not being oppressed by Thomas James, 76 year-old local caterer who marched for Civil Rights before you were even born.
Thomas James is dead. He had to work his entire life and died because he couldn’t afford the meds he needed, or got run over at a civil rights march, or just broke his body with labor and broke half his bones falling down the stairs. Almost all the good boomers are dead, and there were very few to start with. They’re the most conservative voting block out there afaik, maybe older people are worse on average but I doubt it. Boomers and the bourgeoisie are both to blame for the shit situation we’re in. Less so with boomers, but you sure as fuck shouldn’t be letting them off the hook or defending them when they’ve never done the same for you
No amount of downvotes is gonna make the boomers give a shit about you :P they’re still gonna vote conservative and think they’re entitled to your money
There are poor boomers. They didn’t all vote for greed. , jfc
True, but the vast majority did, and even the “good” ones are usually the kind of democrat that wants Hillary Clinton as president and wants to bomb more middle eastern countries. Obviously there’s exceptions, but most boomers have voted to fuck over themselves and everyone else, and now want others to pay them so they don’t have to experience the consequences