“Must live in the middle of nowhere. Must have a vehicle you will not be paid to maintain. Must provide your own medical insurance so we don’t have to provide it legally. Must give us $450 to start. Must be cool with making minimum wage for a minimum of 3 months. Probably forever. Good luck paying for rent, increased gas and maintenance on your car, and your own medical on minimum wage. I hope you die. Welcome to the family.”
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I don’t get what employers have to do with your health insurance in the first place. Is this some weird way to keep you working at the threat of your healthcare being taken away?
The US is weird af
Yes, that’s precisely what it is.
I believe it goes back to world war 2. The country froze wages for economic stabilization. Some employers started throwing in health care as an incentive during a labor shortage. We are now stuck with this poisonous system.
It’s a tax break for corporations, and bulk sales to companies is easier for health care providers than working with individuals. The squeeze comes together after a time.
You know what would be even easier? A single-payer system.
What are you, some kinda commie?
“Yes”
Yes.
In Germany your employer usually needs to pay 50% of your health insurance, given you work over a certain hour per week threshold. I mean in the end it’s by convention and as employee you do not profit as a higher wage would be preferable. Historically grown, but not solely a US thing (even if not really comparable).
Do you also lose your healthcare insurance if you get fired, and also does your employer determine the insurer and coverage levels offered?
It’s all the same offerings which are picked by the state, although companies can choose to add on to that if they want to, and then the company just used that, if you lose your job then you’re covered by state benefits. Then if you get another job you go back to the same type of insurance.
Of course if you’re rich you can pay for your own dedicated insurance which will probably be nicer but ultimately you don’t need to.
I am not sure if you are being cynical tbh. I was reacting to a comment stating it’s weird your employer plays a role in health insurance in US, my point was he does in Germany too.
Of course our social system is totally different. The tax payer will usually cover your insurance in case you lose your job. Coverage levels are not a thing, everybody has more or less the same level which is rather high compared to other countries. However there is private insurance for high earners and state employees that do not pay into the public fund, meaning we do have a two class system which is pretty unfair.
i’m 40 years old, and i’ve been working since i was 17.
i have never had any sort of job that paid any sort of benefits. i simply get paid the money i earn from the jobs i do, and that’s it. i’ve never had any sort of insurance, etc. it’s kind of ridiculous. most of my jobs are contract positions. i can’t even remember the last time i worked for any sort of hourly wage.
If you’re contracting, you are your employer. It is your responsibility to pay benefits for your employee: you
That’s assuming he’s not misclassified like the majority of contract positions are.
i haven’t had a job with health insurance benefits since the early 90s. and it was a lousy plan that took nearly half my net in premiums.
Tell me again, why is communism bad, if this is capitalism?
To be fair, I doubt anyone actually applied for this job. Just because they’re making this offer, doesn’t mean that’s market rate.
Moreover, most tourist guide gigs are summer things so they’re unlikely to go beyond a training period(one month?) Plus three months probation.
The Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center, the ones who posted this job, run tours all year long.
Gonna send this to the email address they listed for applications.
Ah, future “people don’t want to work anymore” fodder. This idiot hiring manager will bitch and moan when they can’t find any reliable talent even though you get what you pay for.
Ah, future “people don’t want to work anymore” fodder.
I like showing this to people at every opportunity. 😀
Its true, I don’t want to work. I would wager that any person that won the lottery would quit his 9-5 the day of.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
You cannot require employees to pay for mandatory work-related training.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/does-employer-pay-training.html
So I tracked down this posting, and fun fact, it’s a state government job for a non taxpayer funded attraction.
Name and shame, someone needs to report this.
Animal Educator/Tour Guide at Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center, Divide CO. Accredited by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums. I might be missing something but I think neither CWWC nor AZA is a government entity.
The screenshot skips the perks which include a vest when promoted. They claim you can also do a bunch of related training/school at no cost to you but I feel like those benefits are usually hard to get and/or balance while still being a useful asset. But of course listed perks include multiple types of experience.
As with many animal-related jobs, the low pay probably manages to automatically filter down applicants to only compassionate people that just want to help the little floofs. It’s a step above volunteer (of which many are present anyway).
As with many animal-related jobs, the low pay probably manages to automatically filter down applicants to only compassionate people that just want to help the little floofs. It’s a step above volunteer (of which many are present anyway).
Ya, the posting is like this because they will still get tons of extremely qualified applicants. There are tons of IT, office, construction, whatever jobs, but there are not many “Work with or around wolves” jobs. They will probably get people with Masters degrees applying for this, maybe Ph.D. I applied for an animal control position and that was the case there.
Definitely intentionally deceiving by OP.
Working with exotic animals at a sanctuary is basically a labor of love. It’s a shitty industry to make a living in, but these kinds of places usually run on fumes.
Still, the training fee, walkie deposit, and not supplying the tour vehicle are pretty sus.
Here you go https://www.aza.org/jobs?job=40977
Well done to the Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center
Thank you for contacting the Colorado Division of Workers’ Compensation (DOWC).
If your email is not intended for Colorado Workers’ Compensation (workplace injuries), we will forward your email to the appropriate Agency for response or resolution. This email address is intended for complaints related to the workers’ compensation claim process.
I can update with additional information if anyone is interested.
If it’s a charity I think there are different rules though. Which kind of makes sense because it would suck for the charity to have to pay to train someone only for them to disappear after 3 months.
Charity gigs are typically done by people who are just looking for something to do while they’re between jobs so they do tend to be pretty much revolving door of employees.
Why not post who it is. I don’t understand the blacking out.
i don’t think it’s government run, looks like a private sanctuary from looking at their web site.
if it was a state facility, it would be stated on its web site with links and references to the administering agency (dnr, cpw, etc);
and if it was a private non-profit 501©3, that fact would also be stated clearly because that’s a significant bit of data, in its history page, and likely every page in the footer, as well as adjacent to every solicitation for donations or mention of its contact information.
and if it was a private non-profit 501©3, that fact would also be stated clearly
You mean like this? “Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center, an Association of Zoos and Aquarium (AZA) accredited non-profit sanctuary in Divide, CO…”
They’re also listed as a 501c3 in the Non-Profit Explorer - https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/841376613
Even if it was a 501c3, that wouldn’t mean anything special. It’s an abused term to invoke an idea of the org being a wholesome, charitable org. No, it just means they don’t answer to stockholders. Execs can still collect fat paychecks. Surplus doesn’t have to go to charity.
Also if it was a state facility the info would likely be on a .gov website.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. There’s no good enforcement mechanism.
Assuming this is in ‘Merica.
It’s like that copy pasta of the Libertarian Police Department
L.P.D. Libertarian Police Department
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn’t seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
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Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
I love how backwards this is but parroted unironically by the Lib right. Whatever the market accepts, not offers, is the fair market value. That misunderstanding is where this “no one wants to work (for my pitiful salary) anymore” comes from.
I shot the mailbox again, on purpose hahaha
This is amazing. Dude would have to wear one of those quick coin dispensers on his belt. He would need them for all the tolls he would be crossing too.
three-month probationary basis
Stating this indicates they will never give you an ounce of trust, nor the benefit of the doubt in any situation.
The scam is you give them 450 bucks and they never call you back.
The probation and other bs is just plausible deniability.
You can be sure none of the radios they ever get back are in good enough condition too.Actually, it’s a common practice in many countries. Where I live, law mandates that both the employee and the employer can terminate the contract during the first three months, immediately, and without reason.
I’d bet that this is in the US, where at-will employment (either party may terminate) is generally universal and indefinite.
That sounds a lot closer to Canadian employment law, not US law. In most states, at-will employment is indefinitely 2-way. Employers are usually not required to give you any notice/reason/benefit beyond what is in the employment contract you sign. Conversely, employees have the same freedom. I’ve been at my job over ten years now and I could quit today with 0 notice or penalty. I don’t have to tell them why or where I’m going, just return my work equipment and collect a prorated final check. I could do a lot more damage to them than they could do to me and I like it that way.
Losing your job with 0 notice is catastrophic for most people. Especially when you have to hope your job offers severence out of the kindness of their heart
Most people should learn to live below their means. I see people that make as much as I do having multiple children, buying giant houses in really nice areas, and I can’t help but wonder what would happen if they lost their jobs with 0 notice. It probably would be catastrophic, but that risk is a choice. Conversely, I live like I make half as much as I do. Max out my retirement contributions every year, rent a much smaller apartment, etc. Maintenance is taken care of for me; I have a small amount of nice things; and if I lost my job I have months or years to find a new one before things would really get dire. Don’t get me wrong I’m planning to move in somewhere nicer and have kids soon too, but extended periods of living below your means allows one to save enough money to increase what their means can provide at the same income level. It also allows you to make migrations without the stress of what happens during the overlap in employment, living situation, insurance, etc. Wash, rinse, repeat. E.G, I fixed up a junkyard car by hand in high school and drove it for a decade so I could afford to buy a new car in cash instead of a lease or a payment with interest. Not having interest applied on top of the purchase made it a lot cheaper for me in the long run than the same vehicle would have been for others that stretched to purchase it. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck a little to see other people with things that I want, but I prefer the safety net I’ve built for myself. I think most people could benefit from a shift in perspective about what they can actually afford, and how they should choose to live their lives.
Most people should learn to live below their means
I’m not saying I’ve never seen someone get something and wonder how they can afford it, it certainly happens plenty. But wages are not increasing like the prices of housing, student loans, groceries, going to the doctor, having a child, and all kinds of things an employed person should be able to take for granted. “Just live below your means” is not very realistic when the means aren’t keeping up.
contract you sign
The vast majority of Americans don’t have an employment contract.
I could do a lot more damage to them than they could do to me and I like it that way.
That’s awesome but definitely not the norm, it’s the other way around for most. I mean if I quit suddenly it would suck for my immediate manager for a little bit, but in terms of the company it wouldn’t hurt them whatsoever.
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It’s a job at a Non-Profit Wolf Sanctuary in the mountains of Colorado, Pikes Peak to be specific.
Does it then either give a livable wage, or give you short enough hours to accommodate a second job?
Lmao. A Non Profit with this advertisement? Guaranteed they’ve checked all the boxes of being problem boss and justifying it with being a non profit.
Minimum wage for three month probation then it’s experience, so I bet NOT a livable wage either after that.
Can we not name and shame this “employer?”
https://kbin.social/m/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world/t/785471/-/comment/4762052
I hate when jobs make you pay a fee/deposit to essentially rent equipment from them and then tell you “Oh you’ll get it back if you return this in the same condition it was in when you got it.” because my brain is wired to think all companies will be scummy enough to keep the money if they find the most insignificant little scratch that can only be seen under a microscope.
That’s because that’s exactly what happens. If they were serious they’d just charge you for it when you return it broken. “Renting” your equipment from your boss is a scam. Every time.
And I bet their twonway radio they ask 150$ deposit for is a baofang at 20$ on Amazon.
Exactly, they give it to you new and after a year of regular wear they take the deposit because how dare it have wear from pressing the talk button and being hit by the sun 24/7.
Mfs dosen’t even own the means of production and are extracting surplus value anyway.
A week and a half gross pay just to get the training and radio needed to do the job, they probably can’t figure out why nobody applied.
Some may do it because of their love of animals and nature. But they will quickly realize that it’s just another business when they see customers paying 150$ for a 1h tour wich the guide makes only 7$ on and the boss cashes all the rest.
Must pay for your own salary.
here’s the link to the posting.
I am surprised this is in the USA, as I didn’t think it legal. (Of course, there are lots of job ads that do not conform to legally.)
not gonna lie wanna hear more about the wolf warrior vest
Paying for a training fee at a job is in the same order as paying for an online iq test.
I’m pretty certain that your standard car insurance would not cover you for using your vehicle to give tours, which is what it sounds like the job is.
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