Neuralink’s human trials volunteers ‘should have serious concerns,’ say medical experts::A medical ethics committee responded to Elon Musk’s brain-interface startup issuing an open call for patients yesterday.

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    This is a publicity stunt to get more funding. They are going to get some volunteers, but they won’t ever get the implants. Neuralink will just keep delaying the procedure by a year and then cancel it once the public stops paying attention.

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      This is a publicity stunt to get more funding.

      It would be if the FDA hadn’t approved this. This is the most puzzling part.

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        I don’t see Neuralink taking the legal risk, regardless of what the FDA says. The approval is part of the publicity stunt IMO.

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          I don’t think they’d care about the legal risk from people who’d sign up. However it’d be pretty bad publicity having them all die

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      I think you are hating simply because musk, they have FDA approval. People are going to get this implant in their brain, and if I remember I’ll come back here and send you a message that you were wrong when it happens.

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        Did you see the article about what they did to those monkeys?

        Any human that allows this half-baked shit near them in it’s current state should be terrified.

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          They only said people would get the implants, not that they would survive. If they have FDA approval, I’m afraid the previous poster may be correct.

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          I came back to this thread to prove op wrong, because I was right. Yes some poor monkies got killed but that’s because it was a half baked device, it’s sort of impossible to skip the half baked step when developing a complex device.

          Now that they are in the human stages hopefully it’s well passed half baked and into the good beta device range. Like I originally said all you guys are just hating on musk and shitting on companies he runs that are legitimately cool and doing good things for the world.

          Shit on Twitter all you want, that place is ass though

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        FDA approval ain’t evidence that something is safe. See the recent approvals for anti-Alzheimers meds that have a terrible side-effect to benefit ratio.

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          For sure, that’s what the testing is for. Now that a device has been put in a human it will be determined if it’s safe over many years and trials.

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            If something is dangerous in animal testing, it shouldn’t reach humans. The FDA is toothless (due to underfunding and regulatory capture).

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        So you’re worried the implant will affect your memory. Got it.

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          I’m not disabled, so I can’t even if I wanted to. I don’t want to either, I’m not stupid

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      Why let you have your memories at all? Each day you remember the doctored history of a happy employee. You’re excited for another day of peak productivity with a short break for your favorite meal (the only food you’re aware of): Soylent green. Hey where’s Steve today… who’s Steve… better get back to work.

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      Memories if you’re lucky. He’d try to put all autonomic functions behind a paywall.

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      Acephale horror podcast has a story about buying people’s memories. But what if they take more than they’re supposed to? Would you even know?

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    I think any person signing up for this Black-Mirror storyline is by definition a vulnerable person.

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    Mark Zuckerberg was surprised that all those dumb fucks trusted him with Facebook, and Elon must be thinking the same right about now.

    I guess we never run out of stupid people.

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      Don’t know if they’re stupid, but probably misled and very desperate enough to bet on an invasive experimental treatment messing with your brain from ‘some guy’ with ‘good enough publicity’.

      I hope they all read about Animal 15 before actually agreeing.

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    Should but if musk fans want to put their brains in the hands of right-wing moron that’s running his companies into the ground, week who am I to argue with their logic.

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      An aside, it’s so fucking easy to become a right wing idol. You literally just say the talking points and now you’re part of the gang! It literally is that easy.

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      I’m not dumb enough to be interested in a first generation brain implant, but surely someone is.

      That being said the car thing is a bunch of bullshit. Separate OTA software patches from physical drive-the-car-to-a-dealership recalls and get back to me on the real “recall” count.

      I’m not really interested in driving a full electric car (hybrids seem to be the sweet spot until we find better batteries) but people cling to arbitrary metrics for all kinds of criticism in a red vs blue or console war fashion to proclaim why their chosen product is better. It’s so asinine. All of the electronic systems in modern cars have issues because all software has issues. The ones that are the worst are the ones with no OTA patching, of which there are many.

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    Neuralink will have all participants sign a waiver stating they know about the risks of death, etc etc. People will just sign and ignore all that because Elon!

    Never mind that he’s an incompetent scammer.

    Maybe we should force the participants to go on an exploration trip to the Titanic before they can join…

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    If Mr. X is so confident in Neuralink he should be first in line.

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      But they were all of them deceived, for another chip was made. In the land of Texas, in the labs of Neuralink, the Dark Lord Elon forged in secret, a master chip, to control all others.

      One Chip to rule them all,
      One Chip to find them,
      One Chip to network them all,
      and in the TOS legally bind them.

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        In poems, press Enter twice
        to create a stanza splice.↲↲

        End a line with double space␣␣↲
        where a line break should take place.

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          Thanks for the tip. The line break works, but the stanza spacing doesn’t seem to be taking. I’m on Jerboa so that may be influencing the formatting.

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            I mean, it’s just syntax for a paragraph break that’s been in Markdown since day one, of course Jerboa supports it.

            Paragraph spacing varies in different clients because it’s the devs’ stylistic choice. Double line height for Jerboa and Infinity, about 1.5 for web and Thunder. Exact 2.0 makes it look like the syntax is rendered without processing but it most likely isn’t.

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        I get it, he won’t be getting an ad-sponsored or cheaply made version. The concern is safety, and it will be for a while.

        Maybe Elon has a malfunctioning chip in his brain already, which would explain a lot. Anyone seen him getting seizures?

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    Musk is a transhumanist who is trying to figure out how to transfer his consciousness into one of his brood, or into a machine.

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    Darn, a Musk article got through my anti Twitter, anti Musk Sync for Lemmy filter. Time to ass Neuralink to it.

    Ifs been glorious weeks since I saw Musk on Lemmy.

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    Oh shit, you don’t say?

    Fucking lol. LOL.

    I can’t stress this enough: LOL

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    Imagine having a button you could use to make people shit their pants on demand.