A large portion scientists, doctors, engineers, staticians and mathematicians are on the spectrum.
Eradicate autism and you eradicate many of our more intelligent members of society.
Autism is a side of the coin in human genetics, not a disease. It is a gift of our diversity that not all of us think the same way or conform. It gives us an evolutionary advantage even if it makes you seem at a disadvantage due to the rigid, cookie cutter expectations of the modern world. Autism has always been part of us, it just didn’t become a “problem” until billionaires needed wage slaves that were efficient little drones who fell in line.
i want to improve my kid because i want it to have a better life than me. i think eugenics is something very nice, if it doesnt involve killing or hurting (living) people.
By definition it kills people and hurts future generations. That is literally the ENTIRE point of it
You are EXPLICITLY reducing the genetic diversity and stability of the ENTIRE human population. To narrow it into a subset of it self.
It literally can only cause long term harm for short term gain. Sure you get ONE generation of improvement but then every future generations that generation creates is negatively impacted.
And it only takes about 14 generations to infect the entire human population functionally.
So unless your going to also make every child you create with eugenics sterile and fuck their core biological purpose as an animal. Just so they can have a better societal existence.
Then eugenics is fucking STUPID as fuck. And if you are willing to do that. Then your either actively a massive raging asshole with no ability to think about the common good or long term effects of your actions.
You are not broken. The world around you is fundamentally broken for everyone except for the richest of people. You just have the disadvantage of being able to clearly see how broken it is.
My apologies. I didn’t intend to invalidate anyone’s experience. I wanted to provide an alternative explanation for the same experience.
I’ve had some pretty bad days (and some bad years). Looking at everything through the lens of “the world isn’t made for me” instead of “I’m broken” has helped me to cope, and has inspired me to search for new opportunities.
As you said, everyone’s experience is valid.
Not every day will be good, and having a new viewpoint doesn’t stop the pain. I do hope, however, that my viewpoint can help to provide comfort and guidance to someone.
Halo: Contact Harvest has you covered, Johnson shows his knowledge on what the ladies like to Jilan al-Cygni and current fan theory is they might’ve gotten married following this encounter due to a line in Halo 2 where he mentions his mother in law.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in the weird shit Johnson says without a second corroborating source, personally. He’s an old Marine with some cliche drill sergeant characterization because he started as a throwaway side-character.
Oh of course, especially if you have the IWHBYD skull on. I don’t believe the theory, just stating it’s existence lol I doubt Johnson would ever get married, he’s married to the Corps OORAH
2552 was a good year to get married, up until the second invasion of Earth. Afterwards, there was a possibility of the future existing, which really puts a damper on those shotgun weddings
No, but I do see how literally every other species has some pretty harshly enforced, if you know what I mean, ways that ‘weak’ members of said species doesn’t pass on their genes.
Makes me think of hyenas. I need to learn more about them. Been obsessed with animals all my life and just learned they’re not canines, and their closest relatives are meerkats and weasels.
No, elon is all about some idiotic eugenics shit. I simply acknowledge that the majority of a species’ mutants lie dead and forgotten, their genes unrelayed down the genetic tree.
diversity in cowmilk output (lol) in cows for a farmer isnt something desirable, atleast one area i know something about.
Surely you’ve noticed that this only applies to a population that is being exploited as a resource and prioritizes a specific trait or traits that are desirable to the exploiter rather than traits that contribute to the organism’s well-being. That’s what eugenics is, and what you are advocating for. It is not better for humanity or even for the individual to eradicate autism, it is better for our exploiters.
That term is no longer medically accurate as of 2013 and generally is considered hate speech now. That’s a term created by Nazis and was used as a method to categorize people as lesser.
It’s the autism equivalent of calling someone the n word. Tho with less societal backlash. Sends most people still consider mental illness to not be something that you should be ashamed to make fun of or demean someone for.
And unlike the n-word, there isn’t an entire culture built around trying to normalize the word.
Let’s stop being Nazis okay, we don’t need to use Nazi’s words or their philosophies. We’re better than them. We have more accurate terminology, a better understanding of the world, a better understanding of mental and physical health.
So we can be better people. We do not need to be Nazis.
All this said is someone who was diagnosed with Asperger’s was institutionalized and removed from my parents because of it. Let’s stop using Nazi words for f***** sake
Plenty of people who were diagnosed, or just grew up, before ASD replaced Asperger’s as the preferred nomenclature don’t see themselves as in the same bucket as someone who is nonverbal or otherwise severely impacted.
I know you are getting down voted, but I get it and have had similar thoughts. Do I think there is actually anything wrong with me? No, I don’t actually have any issue with myself as a person. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with “neurotypical” people. That doesn’t mean I’m not fundamentally incompatible with society as a whole without having to constantly use a complex set of mental algorithms developed over decades that allows me to function within it well enough to fulfill my basic needs and wants.
In an ideal world people would be understanding and accepting of me and anyone else that is “different”. That’s not the reality though. People are OK with different as long as it isn’t too different. In order for me and people like me to function in the world with the same ease and understanding that everyone else does would require educating and acclimatizing them to be understanding of differences from the youngest ages. In a fucked up way I think using gene editing to make sure no one has to experience the pain of my past (and sometimes still present) is more feasible than seismically shifting the attitude of society as whole.
As I said before, I don’t have an issue with myself, I just don’t think anyone should have to experience what I have experienced. I’m even one of the lucky ones that is high functioning and doing well for themselves in all aspects aside from socially. This shouldn’t be the solution, but if it means people don’t have to suffer I have a hard time being completely opposed.
hopefully the fucking autism will be eradicated by gene editing and selecting the right embryo or something. it gave me null advantage in life.
A large portion scientists, doctors, engineers, staticians and mathematicians are on the spectrum.
Eradicate autism and you eradicate many of our more intelligent members of society.
Autism is a side of the coin in human genetics, not a disease. It is a gift of our diversity that not all of us think the same way or conform. It gives us an evolutionary advantage even if it makes you seem at a disadvantage due to the rigid, cookie cutter expectations of the modern world. Autism has always been part of us, it just didn’t become a “problem” until billionaires needed wage slaves that were efficient little drones who fell in line.
Or maybe we can just improve society a little bit, rather than advocate for eugenics. For once.
i want to improve my kid because i want it to have a better life than me. i think eugenics is something very nice, if it doesnt involve killing or hurting (living) people.
By definition it kills people and hurts future generations. That is literally the ENTIRE point of it
You are EXPLICITLY reducing the genetic diversity and stability of the ENTIRE human population. To narrow it into a subset of it self.
It literally can only cause long term harm for short term gain. Sure you get ONE generation of improvement but then every future generations that generation creates is negatively impacted.
And it only takes about 14 generations to infect the entire human population functionally.
So unless your going to also make every child you create with eugenics sterile and fuck their core biological purpose as an animal. Just so they can have a better societal existence.
Then eugenics is fucking STUPID as fuck. And if you are willing to do that. Then your either actively a massive raging asshole with no ability to think about the common good or long term effects of your actions.
Or you have brain damage.
Or a Nazi. Let’s not be Nazis ok?
I’m pretty sure this is not what Iai had in mind.
It also normalizes the gene pool, which can become a threat to our survival
Dude, no.
You are not broken. The world around you is fundamentally broken for everyone except for the richest of people. You just have the disadvantage of being able to clearly see how broken it is.
Look, some people have bad experience, some good. Let’s listen to both. No reason to tell anyone their experience is not real/true/authentic.
My apologies. I didn’t intend to invalidate anyone’s experience. I wanted to provide an alternative explanation for the same experience.
I’ve had some pretty bad days (and some bad years). Looking at everything through the lens of “the world isn’t made for me” instead of “I’m broken” has helped me to cope, and has inspired me to search for new opportunities.
As you said, everyone’s experience is valid.
Not every day will be good, and having a new viewpoint doesn’t stop the pain. I do hope, however, that my viewpoint can help to provide comfort and guidance to someone.
Speak for yourself, I weaponize mine in the form of unstoppable Halo lore.
“Sgt Johnson sex scene? Damn straight it’s cannon, and I’d be happy to expand on that topic.”
I would like to subscribe to Halo sex lore
Halo: Contact Harvest has you covered, Johnson shows his knowledge on what the ladies like to Jilan al-Cygni and current fan theory is they might’ve gotten married following this encounter due to a line in Halo 2 where he mentions his mother in law.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in the weird shit Johnson says without a second corroborating source, personally. He’s an old Marine with some cliche drill sergeant characterization because he started as a throwaway side-character.
Oh of course, especially if you have the IWHBYD skull on. I don’t believe the theory, just stating it’s existence lol I doubt Johnson would ever get married, he’s married to the Corps OORAH
2552 was a good year to get married, up until the second invasion of Earth. Afterwards, there was a possibility of the future existing, which really puts a damper on those shotgun weddings
You were born however and have the right to take up space.
i agree! that is also i think of it, just that its a disability and limits me somewhat, but quitting isnt the solution! :)
See my direct response to the OP.
Hey, I like being autistic.
Notice how diversity is a positive in literally every other species?
For a species? Definitely. For an individual? Not necessarily, in many cases not at all.
Nonsense. Being born with anywhere between 1 and 80 fingers would be a huge benefit /s
No, but I do see how literally every other species has some pretty harshly enforced, if you know what I mean, ways that ‘weak’ members of said species doesn’t pass on their genes.
Makes me think of hyenas. I need to learn more about them. Been obsessed with animals all my life and just learned they’re not canines, and their closest relatives are meerkats and weasels.
Sounds like Elon
No, elon is all about some idiotic eugenics shit. I simply acknowledge that the majority of a species’ mutants lie dead and forgotten, their genes unrelayed down the genetic tree.
Sounds like you don’t know very much about ecology. Outliers are very often punished in nature.
i dont mind diversity much if it doesnt pull down the average talents of a species, which it (always?) does.
diversity in cowmilk output (lol) in cows for a farmer isnt something desirable, atleast one area i know something about.
please write an example, why you thought of the comment? thx :). im sincerely interested
Surely you’ve noticed that this only applies to a population that is being exploited as a resource and prioritizes a specific trait or traits that are desirable to the exploiter rather than traits that contribute to the organism’s well-being. That’s what eugenics is, and what you are advocating for. It is not better for humanity or even for the individual to eradicate autism, it is better for our exploiters.
Diversity in ant behavior directly benefits their “front line”. More scouts/backup depending on how timid or aggressive they are.
Pretty sure most of the biggest discoveries in history have been made by neurodivergent people.
you sound exactly like a rabidly ableist neurotypical when you hate yourself for being autistic
i dont hate myself, that is too strong of a word, but you are probably even right, because im on the edge of being a asperger.
That term is no longer medically accurate as of 2013 and generally is considered hate speech now. That’s a term created by Nazis and was used as a method to categorize people as lesser.
It’s the autism equivalent of calling someone the n word. Tho with less societal backlash. Sends most people still consider mental illness to not be something that you should be ashamed to make fun of or demean someone for.
And unlike the n-word, there isn’t an entire culture built around trying to normalize the word.
Let’s stop being Nazis okay, we don’t need to use Nazi’s words or their philosophies. We’re better than them. We have more accurate terminology, a better understanding of the world, a better understanding of mental and physical health.
So we can be better people. We do not need to be Nazis.
All this said is someone who was diagnosed with Asperger’s was institutionalized and removed from my parents because of it. Let’s stop using Nazi words for f***** sake
Plenty of people who were diagnosed, or just grew up, before ASD replaced Asperger’s as the preferred nomenclature don’t see themselves as in the same bucket as someone who is nonverbal or otherwise severely impacted.
Someone’s still bitter over their trivia night trouncing
I know you are getting down voted, but I get it and have had similar thoughts. Do I think there is actually anything wrong with me? No, I don’t actually have any issue with myself as a person. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with “neurotypical” people. That doesn’t mean I’m not fundamentally incompatible with society as a whole without having to constantly use a complex set of mental algorithms developed over decades that allows me to function within it well enough to fulfill my basic needs and wants.
In an ideal world people would be understanding and accepting of me and anyone else that is “different”. That’s not the reality though. People are OK with different as long as it isn’t too different. In order for me and people like me to function in the world with the same ease and understanding that everyone else does would require educating and acclimatizing them to be understanding of differences from the youngest ages. In a fucked up way I think using gene editing to make sure no one has to experience the pain of my past (and sometimes still present) is more feasible than seismically shifting the attitude of society as whole.
As I said before, I don’t have an issue with myself, I just don’t think anyone should have to experience what I have experienced. I’m even one of the lucky ones that is high functioning and doing well for themselves in all aspects aside from socially. This shouldn’t be the solution, but if it means people don’t have to suffer I have a hard time being completely opposed.