China will not save us. The global proletariat must rise up.

NOWHERE did I say I oppose China. I just thought this was an interesting video. Watch the fucking thing before hating and yelling about ultras.

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    I really suggest "Socialism With Chinese Characteristics a Guide for Foreigners " on this, the author was the first non-chinese employee at the school for marxism and knows Chinese and has read marx and lenin in their original languages and has a wide knowledge of Chinese socialism. Goes over a lot of the myths this guy seems to be falling for, namely the idea that Deng abandoned class struggle and purposefully took the capitalist road, ruining the project forever. Paired with its historical materialist analysis of China and deep knowledge of party history it offers so much more than any westerner that’s never been to China could offer. I have yet to learn the opinion of maoists in the third world (something that I’d like to learn a lot more about ) but this video was pretty ahistorical and western brained tbh

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    What these “China no socialist” ultras don’t have is lack of conceptual understanding of what socialism is. The way they think is brilliantly described by Gabriel Rockhill in his Understanding Siege Socialism appearance, where he actually quoted Mao on this topic. In essence - ultras only have sensory understanding of what socialism should be, but not conceptual - let alone doing any praxis. They don’t have a good grasp of dialectical materialism, they see socialism as “being this and that and that” - a set of characteristics that are present (or absent) in a given society.

    Conceptual understanding of socialism is the realization that socialism (and communism) is first and foremost a long, painful, tedious and prudently planned contradictory process of consciously building towards a certain type of socio-economic order. It concedes that building socialism, whatever form it initially takes, means that a new society is born OUT OF capitalism and under tremendous imperialist pressure. It does not, however, preclude using different tactics (when appropriate) which may seem to contradict the overall goal or strategy.

    No one in their right mind would say the USSR was not socialist, even though the NEP certainly allowed a wide range of private economic activity. Oh, by the way - it never went away fully because for that you have to develop productive forces to a colossal degree. On the other hand, the USSR did have a powerful planned/socialized sector by the time Khrushchev was in power, yet his right deviations and revisionism were obvious to many.

    Perhaps it reflects their weak theoretical grounding, perhaps something else (ahem fed ahem). BTW the “global proletariat must rise up” is a big red flag imo (no pun intended). Even fucking capitalists admit China is not capitalist…

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      Even fucking capitalists admit China is not capitalist…

      I support china and I think that china is socialist

      but can you provide examples of this ,because westerners (dumbasses) don’t consider china communist

      I know that one hilarious video of Clinton calling to “tale back the means of production” but that’s the only example I have in my mind

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        Hey. Apologies for not answering for a while

        I tried finding the specific article from a western media outlet where I saw some schmuck admitting it, I think it was MSN or ABC… Could not do it. I really need to sort out the stuff in my personal archives… What you can do, I guess, is searching through Lemmygrad and Dessalines’ stuff - you may find something useful there.

        Meanwhile - take a look at the reference list in this post: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/229881; also - this article may be of some use to you (it’s more about China’s international standing, but there may be a few useful bits)

        This one is sort of just for lulz, a classic example of “It does not mean what you think it means”