The problem is you chuds don’t start caring until election year. If you don’t want to be stuck with the “better of two bad options” as your choices, get involved earlier in the process at the stages where picking the candidates and positions actually happens. If you’re bitching about choices in the general election and yet you weren’t part of the primary season, then you’re complicit with the problem. Change takes effort, on our part. If we give a shit, we have to be willing to do a little bit of work, and that work starts long before you walk into a polling booth in November.
Yeah but watch the new gen still come along and whine ‘why are all the candidates old? Why cant you pick anyone else??’ while they slept through the nominations and complain how everything happens TO them.
Yeah, I know, I was actively involved and watched it happen live.
So your take-away from that is that when your opponent cheats and wins a battle, you should just give up and forfeit in protest?
Look man, the reality is that things are fucked, so they aren’t going to get unfucked simply. It’s not going to be a “okay everyone show up this Friday and we’ll clean the lake” situation, it’s going to be a hard-fought and difficult war with many setbacks along the way. And yes, that fucking sucks. And yes, I want to be able to magically make it all better all at once or object to the process entirely and get to live outside it in protest, but the fact is that neither of those things are legitimate real world options. So if we want things to get better, we have to put in the work, and not just once, and understand that yes, the cards are stacked against us, but nobody is going to save us but ourselves. So you can either be a defeatist and effectively bend over to take what they give you disrespectfully or you can wake up to the reality of the situation and stop being a naive child waiting for non-existent referee to come in and admonish them for cheating.
The take away is that you’re never ever going to bring about positive change by voting Democrat nor republican. A third party is quite literally the only way to fix this if the Democrats keep putting corporate puppets forward.
So the only option is getting ranked choice voting and that can be done at the state level. We absofuckinglutley need that change to happen!
Then we can all vote for Purity McPurepure as #1 and strategic votes can be your #2, 3 etc… I really think this is the only way out were we can actually make it happen.
There are multiple candidates in each party during primaries. Even in your beloved third parties. They are saying get involved earlier to vote during primaries to quell this whole ‘l don’t like who the candidate is’ bullshit. Cuz that’s also on you: the voter. You can’t just show up to the end poll and bicker about who ended up in the primaries way back when you sat on your ass. Cuz they are right, that’s not an excuse when you had the pick of the litter and just allowed whomever else pick it and then wait to whine about it on election day
Fine, then put in the equivalent work into a third party.
But I’ll bet damn near anything you aren’t putting that work in there either.
The point is bitching about the situation is fine but doesn’t solve anything. No matter what it will take work, nobody else will save us, and objecting to the process is the same as bending over and accepting it.
It’s living in a state of childish denial is what it is. It’s like a child who flips over the boardgame because they don’t like the rules of the game. Change the rules first, then you can vote third party. Until then you’re just defacto voting for the GOP. It’s beyond stupid. Obviously you don’t understand basic game theory.
Unfortunately that’s not the game we’re playing in this country. By voting for a 3d party candidate you’re defacto voting for the party that gets more representation for less votes which in this case is the Republicans.
Grow up. If you don’t like the rules, work to change them, but you won’t accomplish anything by simply ignoring them. You have to change the system first, and only then can we have real multi party elections.
The problem is you chuds don’t start caring until election year. If you don’t want to be stuck with the “better of two bad options” as your choices, get involved earlier in the process at the stages where picking the candidates and positions actually happens. If you’re bitching about choices in the general election and yet you weren’t part of the primary season, then you’re complicit with the problem. Change takes effort, on our part. If we give a shit, we have to be willing to do a little bit of work, and that work starts long before you walk into a polling booth in November.
OMG THIS. So much this! Well said!
Yeah but watch the new gen still come along and whine ‘why are all the candidates old? Why cant you pick anyone else??’ while they slept through the nominations and complain how everything happens TO them.
Lmao. Ask 2016 Bernie how that went when he got sabotaged by the DNC
Yeah, I know, I was actively involved and watched it happen live.
So your take-away from that is that when your opponent cheats and wins a battle, you should just give up and forfeit in protest?
Look man, the reality is that things are fucked, so they aren’t going to get unfucked simply. It’s not going to be a “okay everyone show up this Friday and we’ll clean the lake” situation, it’s going to be a hard-fought and difficult war with many setbacks along the way. And yes, that fucking sucks. And yes, I want to be able to magically make it all better all at once or object to the process entirely and get to live outside it in protest, but the fact is that neither of those things are legitimate real world options. So if we want things to get better, we have to put in the work, and not just once, and understand that yes, the cards are stacked against us, but nobody is going to save us but ourselves. So you can either be a defeatist and effectively bend over to take what they give you disrespectfully or you can wake up to the reality of the situation and stop being a naive child waiting for non-existent referee to come in and admonish them for cheating.
The take away is that you’re never ever going to bring about positive change by voting Democrat nor republican. A third party is quite literally the only way to fix this if the Democrats keep putting corporate puppets forward.
So the only option is getting ranked choice voting and that can be done at the state level. We absofuckinglutley need that change to happen!
Then we can all vote for Purity McPurepure as #1 and strategic votes can be your #2, 3 etc… I really think this is the only way out were we can actually make it happen.
Even in ranked they’d have primaries. You’d still have to make some effort in that system as well over who’s voted in at the candidate stage.
There are multiple candidates in each party during primaries. Even in your beloved third parties. They are saying get involved earlier to vote during primaries to quell this whole ‘l don’t like who the candidate is’ bullshit. Cuz that’s also on you: the voter. You can’t just show up to the end poll and bicker about who ended up in the primaries way back when you sat on your ass. Cuz they are right, that’s not an excuse when you had the pick of the litter and just allowed whomever else pick it and then wait to whine about it on election day
Fine, then put in the equivalent work into a third party.
But I’ll bet damn near anything you aren’t putting that work in there either.
The point is bitching about the situation is fine but doesn’t solve anything. No matter what it will take work, nobody else will save us, and objecting to the process is the same as bending over and accepting it.
No the second you say the word third party a Democrat shows up and screams that you are a Russian troll.
Accepting the process is bending over. Objecting to it is not.
It is when you are still bound by the results of the election. You can’t “object” in any actual real material way.
Also who cares if anyone “screams” at you? Are you afraid of a tiny bit of confrontation? Again, change is hard work
It’s living in a state of childish denial is what it is. It’s like a child who flips over the boardgame because they don’t like the rules of the game. Change the rules first, then you can vote third party. Until then you’re just defacto voting for the GOP. It’s beyond stupid. Obviously you don’t understand basic game theory.
Calling not supporting genocide “childish denial” is one way to address it. Good luck voting for Bidolf.
Unfortunately that’s not the game we’re playing in this country. By voting for a 3d party candidate you’re defacto voting for the party that gets more representation for less votes which in this case is the Republicans.
Grow up. If you don’t like the rules, work to change them, but you won’t accomplish anything by simply ignoring them. You have to change the system first, and only then can we have real multi party elections.