• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
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    When the people who invented Nazis are pissed about your Nazis, you’ve got a problem with Nazis.

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      Now we need to do the AfD next, bevor we have the next Nazis on our hands. And their populist propaganda is seeping in steadily, fueled by massive and endless hate campaigns from the BILD boulevard piece.

      They are polling really really high in many states, top in some even, despite having absolutely no plans or desires to do any politics. All they can do is rage and yell about immigrants, current politicians, taxes, joblessness, the EU, laws, Ukraine, everything. And they also successfully did this thing where they are selling their idea that they are “for the people” and “the will of the people”, yet the elected politicians they do have have consistently (and I mean it, not a single exeption) voted in favor of taxing the working class and making it easier for the ultra-rich. Surprise, surprise.

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        If something is worth doing it’s worth doing yourself. Stop outsourcing your aggression to governments.

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            It’s difficult to ban that kind of thing anyway. Ideas are hard to squash, especially ones born of a mix of ignorance and frustration.

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              They dont convince people of their Ideas though. All they do is ragebait populism. Their actual Ideas are just shitty fiscal conservativism with some vaguely racist and homophobic social policy. They are not selling the product they are convincing people to buy.

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        the real people we need to euthanize are the ghouls who are stupid enough to eat up crap like this

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          Eeeeeh… wow. Okay, and you jump straight to euthanize. I’m going to put you into the “part of the problem” box, I think.

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          You should recognize that from their point of view what you said is pretty much what they think they’re saying. Squashing bad ideas isn’t worth turning yourself into a ghoul as well. Even people with bad ideas deserve love and compassion.

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        I don’t know about that, German Nazis actually had teeth.

        Most Nazis you see in the U.S. are poor white trash with meth mouth.

        The main worry is how much damage they do before they’re purged.

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          Most of the original nazis were poor white trash with whatever the cultural equivalent of meth mouth was at the time. Socioeconomic factors were a major motivation for WWII. When you’re poor, you must be hypervigilant against the allure of fascism. Progress always has a human cost, but we can’t recklessly commit to destruction in the name of token or thoughtless self enrichment.

          EDIT: Meth Moth sounds like a Venture Bros villain. He’s got no teeth, but he has the frantic energy of ten villains!

  • BeautifulMind ♾️@lemmy.world
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    It’s about time we stopped protecting Nazi politics under the rubric of ‘free speech’.

    The countries that don’t do that still have freedom of expression (and they tend to have human rights protections even more expansive than ours), it’s just that it makes no logical sense to hide nazis (whose politics amount to advocating against human rights for particular people) under the skirts of human rights protections.

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      The countries that don’t do that still have freedom of expression (and they tend to have human rights protections even more expansive than ours), it’s just that it makes no logical sense to hide nazis (whose politics amount to advocating against human rights for particular people) under the skirts of human rights protections.

      The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually ceased or destroyed by the intolerant.

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      I like to point to the tolerance paradox. If we want to be tolerant forever, there has to be a limit as to how tolerant we can be. And that anyone who preaches intolerance and hate deserves the gag order that comes their way. If you allow ethno-fascists to keep their platform, then you’re effectively telling them that it’s fine to be a violent asshat. It’s not. And if they claim FrEeDoM oF sPeEcH, this does not come with freedom from criticism. I am under no obligation to engage constructively with your message, it’s entirely within my right to at best for you, zone out and walk away, at best for me tell you to shut the fuck up and take your racist bullshit to some other place. Ideally some place where the sun don’t shine.

      Your freedom to randomly and violently flail your arms about ends where my face begins. As soon as your flailing your arms about starts to endanger people’s faces, you should not be surprised that people start taking action to protect their faces. And on the other hand, if your face is being endangered by people flailing their arms about, it is your right to protect your face.

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      I wish we would do it more often. But in fact west-germany and now whole germany always were slow in fighting against Nazis. Currently we have a extreme right-wing party in our parliaments. Many say they’re all Nazis and our secret services say that large parts of them are Nazis. It’s not funny anymore. Many people are thinking about leaving the country, especially jews. And if they’re going to win the first big elections in the next few years, this won’t be funny. Democracy will fail in germany, if we don’t do anything about it. I am talking about AfD. https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/thueringen/umfrage-landtagswahl-sonntagsfrage-100.html if you look at the charts, you’ll see that they’re already the biggest force in Thüringen (one of our states). It’s scary. Here’s a source of our secret services, that they’re extreme right-wing: https://verfassungsschutz.thueringen.de/rechtsextremismus/rechtsextremismus-thueringen/verdachtsfall-afd It says that parts of the party are a threat to our democracy.

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        And while they’re at it, get rid of the BILD for being a large part of how the AfD successfully managed to sell their “we’re the will of the people”-propaganda, because they push their hate lines consistently and ceaselessly.

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          Let’s hope so. But the adversaries know this too. My growing realisation is that The 3rd Reich or something like it elsewhere, will most likely come back because of a wink, a nudge & a dogwhistle - not a swastika. You can’t protect a country legally, constitutionally or militarily from this. These things are already playing out all over Europe, even in places that never dreamt they’d be dealing with populist, far right parties ceasing to be on the fringe but becoming mainstream - Sweden for example.

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          You’re from germany? Where have you read it? Do you know what happened with the Weimarer Republik? If our secret services warn about it, you should believe it. It’s also not just about the Bundestag, it’s about all institutions. It’s serious.

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            We updated the constitution after WW2. I guess it’s one of the most modern in the world. If even trump couldn’t turn the US into a dictatorship despite the horribly outdated constitution and voting system I have relatively high hopes for Germany, even if those idiots get into government for a term.

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      Cause I could shoot you on sight, claim you’re a Nazi, and it’s now on you to defend yourself… from the grave

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        To be fair, there’s a pretty decent amount of self-identification going on among modern (neo) Nazis.

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      Because this is not how justice work in modern countries, unless you’re a nazi or a tankie.

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        More because it would have entailed quite the logistical conundrum as it’s a bit difficult to run a country when most of its citizens are dead.

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      The Punk scene does, kinda. They don’t shoot Nazis, but if Nazis/skinheads/fascists show up, they leave with black eyes, bloody noses, and fewer teeth.

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      Complete denazification was kind of a myth actually. It took many decades to prosecute many perpetrators of the Shoa and WW2 on both sides of the Iron Curtain.

      …also with what? /s

      Demilitarisation was one of the post-war Ds (there are still like 20 million guns in Germany though).

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    BERLIN (AP) — The German government on Tuesday banned the neo-Nazi group Hammerskins Germany and raided homes of dozens of its members.

    During the early morning raids in 10 states, around 700 police officers searched homes of 28 group members.

    “According to our findings so far, significant amounts of right-wing extremist devotional objects have been seized in addition to cash,” the minister said.

    Ahead of the ban, the German federal and state governments cooperated intensively for more than a year, Faeser said, adding that “we also worked closely with our American partners.”

    The purpose of the association Hammerskins Germany is to consolidate its right-wing extremist worldview, particularly through concerts where it tries to appeal to non-members to radicalize them, the ministry said.

    “Right-wing extremism remains the greatest extremist threat to the basic democratic order in Germany,” Faeser told reporters in Berlin.


    The original article contains 386 words, the summary contains 141 words. Saved 63%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    Interesting how so many nazis have connections with US institutions, after all a Nazi general was the first head of Secretary General of NATO.

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      Not quite sure what the first “head of Secretary General of NATO” is, but the first"Secretary General of NATO" was Hastings Ismay.

      I’m almost interested in hearing the absurd mental gymnastics you used to suggest this guy was a Nazi. Almost.