• PugJesus@kbin.social
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    which was also envisioned by Marx and implemented in every single so-called “Communist” nation is through the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat, which is definitelly not Democratic.

    The Dictatorship of the Proletariat, as envisioned by Marx, is not a literal dictatorship; it is meant to be democratic.

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      I’ve always thought Dictatorship BY the Proletariat gave a better impression of what the statement actually tried to say. From what i understood of it, its supposed to be that the rules are made by the Proles (working population) rather than the “upper classes”.

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        “Democracy of the Proletariat” would be the most accurate descriptor, but no one ever accused 19th century writers of not being melodramatic enough.

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      Well, I suppose the Confiscation Of The Means Of Production could happen by majority vote if it was possible to get most people to agree to it …

      That said, I know of not a single example out the were the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat wasn’t done by force, either at first or eventually.

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        I mean, every revolution is done by force, including democratic ones. Most successful communist revolutions were backed by the considerable resources of the Soviet Union, which put special emphasis on destroying all democratic-left opposition.

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        Seizing the means of production and the dictatorship of the proletariat are totally different concepts, though.

        Flipping through the Communist Manifesto for a few choice words and then using them totally wrong isn’t really bolstering your case.