Their cops murder people too, like for real? Thats what cops do! Chinese cops arent suddenly and magically not bastards! What a shit meme, i dont even really dislike china all that much but this is fuckin wank
ACAB isn’t a general communist position. Communists have always implemented policing in every state they run. ACAB is a strategic position to hold against cops whose primary function under a capitalist state is to protect the interrsts of private property.
As part of the state, we want it to eventually wither away. But to immediately abolish all cops after a revolution is more of an anarchist position (though anarchists have historically also still had people deputized to do cop things).
Also worth noting, I’m pretty sure US cops are some of the worst in the world, even when compared to other capitalist countries. Like they developed in part from slave patrols and in modern day, have been known to get psychopathic training that glorifies murdering people. On top of the fact some of them are literal gangs.
Yes, but this is not the point. We should not rely only on moral arguments against bourgeois institutions, because the same thing can be said against socialism. The thing is, the police is an instrument of the capitalists because the laws in capitalist country favors the capitalists. It’s basically the superstructure as a product and in a dialectical relationship with the base structure.
I’m not trying to be snarky or pedantic when I ask, what is a cop to you? Would you consider a cop to be any enforcer of a formalized state structure that has a monopoly on violence? Anyone who takes on an armed role for organized community defense?
It’s very easy and sensible to go with ACAB for the US, but when we’re talking about for example a communist vanguard in defense of a working class state socialist project, if we just say it is identical fundamentally, then what are we left with to defend against the violence of the colonizer, imperialist, etc.? Or if we were to say it’s bad when it’s a “dictatorship of the proletariat”, but good if it’s community defense, what constitutes the difference and how is the 2nd one strong enough on a practical level to achieve liberation?
In other words, ignoring the context and interactions of a category is the same as removing the dialectics from materialist analysis. Then we limit ourselves to analysing the reality with metaphysics.
Chinese cops kill an average of 2 people a year, and having spent a good amount of time there, no one has the fear of them they do in the states. Public perception of police range from support to complete and total disrespect and disregard for their authority. Could vary by province I suppose, it is a big country, but I’ve not seen anything to suggest that police there are violent or oppressive.
Their cops murder people too, like for real? Thats what cops do! Chinese cops arent suddenly and magically not bastards! What a shit meme, i dont even really dislike china all that much but this is fuckin wank
Super fucking embarrassing for a communist forum
ACAB isn’t a general communist position. Communists have always implemented policing in every state they run. ACAB is a strategic position to hold against cops whose primary function under a capitalist state is to protect the interrsts of private property.
As part of the state, we want it to eventually wither away. But to immediately abolish all cops after a revolution is more of an anarchist position (though anarchists have historically also still had people deputized to do cop things).
Cops in capitalist states aren’t magically bastards. They’re bastards specifically because they serve bourgeois interests against proletarian ones.
Also worth noting, I’m pretty sure US cops are some of the worst in the world, even when compared to other capitalist countries. Like they developed in part from slave patrols and in modern day, have been known to get psychopathic training that glorifies murdering people. On top of the fact some of them are literal gangs.
Yes, but this is not the point. We should not rely only on moral arguments against bourgeois institutions, because the same thing can be said against socialism. The thing is, the police is an instrument of the capitalists because the laws in capitalist country favors the capitalists. It’s basically the superstructure as a product and in a dialectical relationship with the base structure.
According to what information?
They are police! ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS? since when was this a new concept
I’m not sure how you expect to secure proletarian class interests without police. What, inframaterialism?
What would you say is the role of police in the state?
I’m not trying to be snarky or pedantic when I ask, what is a cop to you? Would you consider a cop to be any enforcer of a formalized state structure that has a monopoly on violence? Anyone who takes on an armed role for organized community defense?
It’s very easy and sensible to go with ACAB for the US, but when we’re talking about for example a communist vanguard in defense of a working class state socialist project, if we just say it is identical fundamentally, then what are we left with to defend against the violence of the colonizer, imperialist, etc.? Or if we were to say it’s bad when it’s a “dictatorship of the proletariat”, but good if it’s community defense, what constitutes the difference and how is the 2nd one strong enough on a practical level to achieve liberation?
In other words, ignoring the context and interactions of a category is the same as removing the dialectics from materialist analysis. Then we limit ourselves to analysing the reality with metaphysics.
According to anarkiddies that view any authoritative structure as bad as evil because they cannot comprehend reading basic theory.
Chinese cops kill an average of 2 people a year, and having spent a good amount of time there, no one has the fear of them they do in the states. Public perception of police range from support to complete and total disrespect and disregard for their authority. Could vary by province I suppose, it is a big country, but I’ve not seen anything to suggest that police there are violent or oppressive.