What would be a good sign coming out of such people?

  • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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    I doubt you can judge someone as bad based off that

    EDIT: I’m gonna go with better terms here: Not responsible enough and ignorant, I still don’t believe someone can be considered bad as a person for this.

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      There are two main reasons you wouldn’t return carts to a cart return location:

      1. Fuck them people

      2. My time is worth more than this

      At the very least the person is inconsiderate, and worst a complete psychopath. Both are not great signs, and all the ones between are also not positive aspects.

      You’d think something that small wouldn’t be much of an indication on a person’s overall nature, but it’s nearly always the little things that add up to the whole thing.

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        I understand where you are coming from, but most people who do this at times are more likely just ignorant than even “fuck them people”. In-fact, the walmart near me has a guy waiting outside along with the security most of the time to collect carts once the store closes, so many people are like “he is going to collect all the leftover carts anyways”.

        Especially for those who have parked their cars a bit away, I really doubt such people are going to return all the way just to put a cart on the cart return location, rather than just putting the car on the side and just take off with their car.

        To make things worse, there are staff on stores often these days that organize and collect leftover carts, so it’s been a while since I have seen a good chunk of people return their carts to their return location, especially from parking lots, unless they are close to that return spot.

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          “he is going to collect all the leftover carts anyways”.

          This mentality is just selfishness and self-centeredness. This is the same mentality of people who cause a huge mess at restaurants or movie theatres because “it’s their job, I’m giving them work to do.” It shows an extreme lack of empathy, and it’s very much a “they’re beneath me, I’m helping them” disgusting mentality.

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          Most if not all big box stores have cart corrals out in their parking lots where you are meant to return the carts so that they can be collected more efficiently without having some employee run all over collecting carts. Andtheres the matter of run away carts especially if it’s a windy day. Those carts can really get moving and cause some damage to cars parked out in the lot. No one is saying to take them back to the entrance of the store, simply to put them in the collection point so they don’t wander.

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      1 year ago

      It’s actually a great indicator as to their view of the social contract and obligations to others.

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      1 year ago

      I mean… you asked people for red flags that someone is a bad person, not ‘what actions make someone a bad person’.

      I think they’re right and Cart Narc did all the field research for us.

      Check it out

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          I had this discussion on here a week or so ago. I guess I’m just lucky enough to live somewhere where the summers are mid 80s and the winters are high 50s. My three friends who got jobs at the local Target all said that the best part of their day was collecting carts.

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            They still collect carts if you put them where they’re supposed to be, it’s just a safer job, because they are where cars expect them to be instead of all over the parking lot fishing lone carts out of bushes and off medians

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              And they get to get home to family, or relax, or bed faster without getting yelled at or written up for going over budgeted hours.

      • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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        1 year ago

        Yeah I mean, I have seen people do that countless times at the walmart near my house for example, I feel like that’s just calling a very high portion of the population to be bad people unfairly.

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          Okay but…

          There’s really no reason not to unless you just give zero shits about the damage a loose cart can do.

          That’s exactly the kind of sign you want: it’s a person who thinks “it won’t affect me because I’m leaving, so it’s not my problem.”

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            Or maybe it’s because I have a special needs child and I can’t always leave them alone, even for a minute or two?

            When you make snap judgments based on initial appearance, that’s precisely the kind of error you can make.

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              Red flags aren’t always accurate. That’s the point, it’s a quick gut check, not a foolproof way to analyze someone’s worth. Your neighbor who stares too long and had red stains on his shirt could be a surgeon with myopia, but there are some red flags.

            • harmonea@kbin.social
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              What error, exactly? If someone makes a choice and doesn’t take responsibility for that choice, there’s no error in judgment calling that person irresponsible. Mitigating circumstances like a person’s childcare situation are only mitigating circumstances because there was irresponsibility in the first place to mitigate. It’s still irresponsibility. There was no error.

          • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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            Actually as I was explaining to another person, unfortunately, there is a reason.

            I am living in Tampa, Florida, the nearby walmart to my house, has a huge parking lot, but a car corral near the entrance and ONE on a huge damn parking lot.

            The thing is, while I am not against returning carts when possible in anyway, what can I do if I park my car all the way on the other side on the parking lot and not near the cart corrosal? And the reason I park there is because it’s one of the few parking spots available in a busy day? I am sorry but in such cases, people will just leave the carts on the side and leave with their car.

            Not to mention, the damn sun here, it gets absolutely hot here at times, even I don’t see myself walking halfway to the other part of the parking lot just to leave a cart when I already walked all the way from the entrance carrying all of my groceries, I don’t see myself returning in that case.

            Again we need to think in practical real-life scenario, so not only should people start returning carts, stores that don’t have enough cart returning points in parking lots especially, should increase them.

            I am not saying I don’t return carts because that actually doesn’t apply to me, atleast lately, as I have been mainly ordering stuff online mostly.

            I do also want to make it clear, I am in no way giving justifications for those who make these basic mistakes without a genuine reason, I don’t ever see myself not returning a cart when there is indeed a fairly nearby cart corrosal, and unfortunately, there are people who won’t return their cars even if they have a nearby car corral, and i’m not arguing for them!

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              Yeah… this sounds like someone who is making excuses for their bad behavior instead of owning their mistake and correcting it.

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              I actually took the five minutes to look at all 10 Walmart stores in Tampa on Google Earth, and I can see more than one cart corral from space… How are you missing them in person?

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              So if the cart corral was in you immediate vicinity you would bother to return it?

              You could just carry the groceries through the store and not even use the cart at all…

            • harmonea@kbin.social
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              Not to mention, the damn sun here, it gets absolutely hot here at times, even I don’t see myself walking halfway to the other part of the parking lot just to leave a cart when I already walked all the way from the entrance carrying all of my groceries, I don’t see myself returning in that case.

              Lost me here, nope, nooooope nope nope nope. The weather is the least justifiable excuse – Someone has to walk all that way to return that cart in the hot sun if you don’t. If anything, making someone else do it is worse because of that weather.

              I also saw you throwing out “but they have employees who do that” in another part of the thread. You wouldn’t throw trash on the ground instead of walking it to a can just because a place has a janitor, I’m sure. It’s exactly the same logic, and the reason you wouldn’t ruin a janitor’s day is the same reason you shouldn’t ruin a cart collector’s day.

              I get that your local shop sucks for only having one corral. I really, truly do. But you know what I do when my closest store has practices I can’t deal with? I don’t make someone else clean up after me, I take my money elsewhere.

              • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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                Lost me here, nope, nooooope nope nope nope. The weather is the least justifiable excuse – Someone has to walk all that way to return that cart in the hot sun if you don’t. If anything, making someone else do it is worse because of that weather.

                Interesting, you do realize the employee who collects the carts get them when the store closes, hence at night? It would make 0 sense to do that in the morning because customers will keep coming.

                I also saw you throwing out “but they have employees who do that” in another part of the thread. You wouldn’t throw trash on the ground instead of walking it to a can just because a place has a janitor, I’m sure. It’s exactly the same logic, and the reason you wouldn’t ruin a janitor’s day is the same reason you shouldn’t ruin a cart collector’s day.

                This is a very bad example and a comparison, why? If I have trash, even if there is not a garbage bin nearby, I can keep it with me until I find one or just take it with me to home and throw it there.

                Now with carts, that’s a whole different story, I wish there was a machine where it could carry it for me until I reach to the whole other side of the parking lot, in a very busy moving parking lot with cars, but such magical machine doesn’t exist.

                Companies like Walmart earn millions and billions of dollars, maybe they should be installing more cart return points as the customers are the people who are keeping them in business.

                I get that your local shop sucks for only having one corral. I really, truly do. But you know what I do when my closest store has practices I can’t deal with? I don’t make someone else clean up after me, I take my money elsewhere.

                I already countered the point that I am making someone else do that for me, because first of all, they are just doing their job, and I am not being disrespectful here, but even if you may be okay dealing with the inconvenience the lack of cart return points, I am not, you can’t expect everyone to be okay with something just because you are.

                Regarding taking my money elsewhere, that’d be travelling twice as much, which is dooable, I have a car, but that just makes 0 sense, i’m wasting double the time of mine, and there is no guarantee walmart has enough cart return points there too, considering another person said walmart has been removing them on california, if they are doing that there, then I don’t expect it to be any better.

                Also, asking me to do that for a damn cart, seriously? And the employee is just doing their job, they will do it anyways even if I go or not, and please, don’t compare that again with trash, it’s a whole different story, because you make it sound like I am the type of person who throws trash on the ground wantedly near a place where there is a garbage can, so I can watch the janitor pick it, that is crazy.

                • harmonea@kbin.social
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                  I really don’t have the desire to deal with this level of unhinge over carts, especially when most of it is self-contradictory, begging the question, and/or straight up incorrect.

                  If I was willing to meet you halfway with “just irresponsible, not bad” before, this response right here eliminated all that.

                  • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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                    I really don’t understand you took this so seriously in the first place, and many of the arguments you made make 0 sense like that trash comparison, and the fact that you asked me to go somewhere else so what, I can return a cart? Or the fact that if I don’t return the cart, I am making someone else do the work for me when some stores have people PAID TO DO THAT, because they lack cart return points, and how I am making them do it for the same reason I don’t want to: climate, when they wouldn’t even pick up carts from parking lots till night.

                    Not to mention how me returning would mean that employee’s will be free from getting the carts until that is not true, because people are bound to just let the carts on the sides if the store did not bother to make return points, and literally have someone ready to pick them up at the end of the day, which tells me even they ARE NOT bothered from the store. Even if I stop, that wouldn’t matter a bit if others didn’t do the same, there are tons of people living nearby, and customers are bound to do this if the store doesn’t give proper return points, this is reality.

                    Man, that’s just a whole other level of insanity, glad you can’t deal this argument anymore because I am really not interested in this either.

                    If you think this is bad or irresponsible given a genuine reason, then you haven’t really seen the real irresponsible and bad things out there in the world, because this is nothing…

                    There was once in walmart a year back when they asked us to return the carts properly because it was too windy outside so it won’t hit properly

                    AND WE DID RETURN THE CARTS IN THAT SCENARIO

                    Again, I find this funny, you sound like an absolute perfect person who wants everyone to be extremely responsible and do it despite inconveniences i’ve mentioned above…

                    Look, it’s nice to hear that, but in the real practical world, people WILL leave their carts if stores are not bothered or care enough to install return points in the first place.

                    Come out of your delusional world, seriously.

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              I’ve crossed a parking lot and a street in the snow to return it before. If I pushed it there I’m getting it back. Simple as.

              • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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                Do you think it’s fair to think that just because you are able to, others can too? I’ve been living in Canada before moving to florida, opposite weather here, extremely hot, I try to stay cool as much as possible, it’s good that you “crossed a parking lot at a street” (assuming that is long distance, don’t extactly understand the meaning here), but I am not you man, different people, scenarios, circumstances.

                I know people are going to downvote this for me lol, again I ain’t justifying for those who actually don’t return when there is actually a cart corral nearby, but I am not trying to justify my own actions or argue for those who make this mistake without a genuine reason wantedly, in-fact as I’'ve mentioned in several other comments in this thread, I do online shopping mostly these days, so this does not even apply to me.

                I am simply trying to discuss from another not so popular perspective here in this thread.

                I am also wondering if people have different definitions of what “bad” could be, because to me, this is more about lack of responsibility and ignorance when you are able to return a cart, but you still don’t. If I saw someone doing this without a genuine reason like I have stated before, I don’t think that’d still make them a bad as a person, I’d consider them not so responsible and kindly ask them to return it.

                  • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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                    It’s interesting how you assume I do it when I am not even exactly arguing for it, you people just can’t seem to understand or deal with the fact that some stores out there don’t have enough car corrals and practically in real-life out there, people are bound to do this if the stores aren’t bothered enough to have enough cart corrals in a big damn parking lot.

                    Nobody will cross to the other half of the parking lot, especially if it’s busy with moving cars, to return a cart, if we can’t come to this agreement, those who have been downvoting me are being delusional in my opinion, remember, in my opinion.

                    And it’s wrong to judge someone of doing that just because they are arguing from a different perspective, I am not even saying it’s okay to do that when you do have a cart corral nearby, there are people who do that and don’t return the cart even they do have a cart corral nearby, but expecting customers to do that even with the lack of cart corrals is nice to hear, but UNREALISTIC.

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                  If they’re physically able to push the cart somewhere they should be able to return it. Bar some edge cases I don’t see why someone wouldn’t return the cart.

                  I think you have stricter definition of bad and a looser definition of acceptable reasons. For me “not responsible” is bad, like a minute amount but still in the bad zone, and tough weather and distance isn’t enough of a reason to not return the cart.

                  • TheArstaInventor@kbin.socialOP
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                    The thing is, pushing the cart to take groceries to a car is a must for a person isn’t it? The same can’t be said for returning it, and while I respect a lot that you seem to have returned the cart every single time even if there is no nearby return spot, I don’t see everyone being that way, especially when some stores barely have enough cart return spots on parking lots with PAID staff who are there to collect leftover carts.

                    If I am being honest, when I do physically grocery shop, in most cases since I mostly order online, when I really only have to, I do physical visit and I don’t buy much, I just carry them with my hands to the car, I never had this issue lol.

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          I rarely see that and I definitely judge people when I do see it. Maybe you just live somewhere where anti-social behaviour is normalised?