If your whole identity is based on the fact you where born at some location on this planet, you really need some self reflection and deprogramming
I was within these borders while I crawled out of a vagina. it’s one of my greatest achievements and I’ll base my personality on that
fuck either of them.
no loyalty to any state.
Patriotism isn’t a good thing at all.
Both are stupid, especially if you live in the USA, where your government will let you be rendered homeless and dead in the street if you can’t pay enough money into the capitalist machine.
What’s to be proud of?
Biggest prison population!
National parks, innovation, highest level of freedom of speech (not anymore, lol, but ya know). Actually admitting to our racism and bigotry instead of pretending it doesn’t exist like European countries do, and instead trying to tackle the issues. Even if failing. A diverse population.
Patriotism is being a Simp for a State that doesn’t give a fuck about you.
National Parks
Stolen indigenous land?
innovation
So… Unless you can define what this means, I have to assume it involves Chinese manufacturing.
freedom of speech
Unless you’re on the actual Left that Democrats want to suppress and Republicans want to execute.
actually admitting our racism and bigotry [ . . . ] even if failing
Yeah… Uh… Im going to have to disagree - I see empty gestures made out of a fetish for decorum, which is a holdover from an even older Conservatism. That’s several history doctorates of a rabbit hole to unpack.
a diverse population
Finally, something good! I can get there with “love your neighbor” instead. No State-simping necessary
In a democracy, the state is not a formless, uninfluenced entity. It’s the way it is because the people are horrible. The state cares as much as any human in it cares for you. So no, don’t love thy neighbor, they’re the cause of this lol. Diversity is strength and great food but don’t mistake that with it meaning they are necessarily good people worthy of love
Unless you’re on the actual Left that Democrats want to suppress and Republicans want to execute.
“Want to” is not when your freedom of speech ends man. No, the dems are not taking away your freedom of speech
Yeah… Uh… Im going to have to disagree - I see empty gestures made out of a fetish for decorum, which is a holdover from an even older Conservatism.
I live in an area that is putting actual money into balancing the scales but yeah sure it’s just a empty words ~~~
In a democracy, the state is not a formless, uninfluenced entity. It’s the way it is because the people are horrible.
No deference to the systems we grow up in? No ability to understand context?
The US is not a Democracy.
Congrats. We’re all shit. All of us. You and me too. GO TO THERAPY.
Want to" is not when your freedom of speech ends man. No, the dems are not taking away your freedom of speech
I didn’t realize all I had to do was “talk” to have my material needs met. To have my ideas as part of the political conversation.
Wait, I do that, to people, face to face. We still have ghost jobs polluting our employment statistics, and blackshirts on the streets abducting neighbors.
I live in an area that is putting actual money into balancing the scales but yeah sure it’s just a empty words ~
Congrats. How did you get there? I need you to understand that is a privilege not all of us have. And without further detail, I’m curious about how many of your neighbors face a different reality.
The US is not a Democracy
Technically correct in that it’s a Republic. Same thing applies
No deference to the systems we grow up in? No ability to understand context?
People who can soley understand the system they grew up and not improve it are the issue, yes
I didn’t realize all I had to do was “talk” to have my material needs met. To have my ideas as part of the political conversation.
Freedom of speech is quite literally about immaterial needs, not material ones. There is no right or reason to have a right to include all views in politics.
How did you get there? I need you to understand that is a privilege not all of us have.
By voting? People voted to spend government money to even harms done in the past. That’s not privilege; that’s a choice made when voting. Not sure what you mean by neighbors having a different reality, my neighbors are getting bettered by good governance because we voted for good politicians
Technically correct in that it’s a Republic
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
Nah. Actually, it does not represent you, what you care about, or anything about you. Quit simping for your own destruction.
By voting?
Oh. You’re not serious. Thanks for the notice to block you.
And you are, citing that? Lol
Life in Europe is much better than in the US for any ethnicity.
*except Roma
Europe is pretty racist too, it just manifests itself differently.
No kidding. Still funny when they pretend they’re not racist over there especially when Germany has an active nazi party just like the states does lol
As if the us doesn’t have neonazis. We don’t pretend anything, dear maga idiot. What you are spewing is what your propaganda taught you to think.
Huh? Did you miss the
just like the states
I put in there? Like no shit we have a nazi party. It’s the Republicans. Germany as well has one, the AFD, and it’s quite large too.
Eu absolutely love to get on a high horse pretending they’re not racist
Whatever helps you feel better.
Oh boy, this is exactly what I was talking about lol. Thanks for proving my point
Office meme, they’re the same picture. The world no longer needs people who are willing to die for, or equally kill for, their country
Yes, but climate change, water wars and possibly a fundamental change to world order are likely. One might not get a choice, if they prefer to continue living in freedom and peace.
Doesn’t mean we need patriots though.
Yes if you can convince everyone in the world of this simultaneously, we’ll end all wars.
Do you think Vladimir Putin will agree with your sentiment?
This is bullshit.
Even if the technical definition of “patriotism” is all of these good things, it doesn’t matter because everyone thinks it means all of those bad things.
Yeah, people try to push this patrotism = good, nationalism = bad thing, but it is meaningless, because patriotism has long since become what Reinhart Koselleck would call a “Grundbegriffe”, basically a universal term which everybody has accepted is good, but which everybody interprets and uses in a variety of different (and clashing) interpretations. It is a term you use to invoke that you are on the right side, regardless of what side you are on, because it just means “good”.
Additionally, overt patriotism is usually nationalism.
Looking at this meme in the first panel, pride in who you are eventually becomes pride in who you aren’t if you feel it strongly enough.
And the brainwashing goes on and on…
The word “Republican”
actually comes fromis used today as a decolonial form of Nationalist movement, and they are usually Socialists. Elsewhere in the world, “Republican” still means something actually useful for human goddamn dignity. Since nobody sold out the premise like an American Colonizer party.You gonna tell an Irish Nationalist that they can’t celebrate or defend their people even as “Unionist” Pogroms ravage Catholic parts of Northern Ireland?
You gonna tell an Indigenous Nationalist that their people can’t have the land granted to them by treaties or stand for their people’s sovereign water supply?
You gonna tell a Jewish Nationalist that they can’t be Anti-Zionist, and build their idea of the Jewish Nation and its Diasporic people on standing up against oppression?
These illiterate, domesticated-ass liberals still think “nation = country = state”, like this is 2nd grade. The closest they get to reading is a twitter post, my essaying protects me from their eyes. And they want to talk about what Nationalism is.
Meanwhile Patriotism? Is bipartisan. And it is Stan-ing for a State even as it commits a Genocide. Fuck all of that, and fuck your state. May Trump’s incompetence burn the US’s ability to inflict violence upon the rest of the world.
he word “Republican” actually comes from a decolonial form of Nationalist movement, and they are always the Left party. Elsewhere in the world, “Republican” still means something actually useful for human goddamn dignity. Since nobody sold out the premise.
It has nothing to do with that at all. They are called Republicans for historical reasons, but the name has long since lost all relevance to any specific policies, it is just a name for a
sportspolitical team. Other political parties in other places are called Republicans for other localised reasons.Republic stems from the Roman res publica, but in modern political science it just means a state where the office of head of state isn’t hereditary, ie. basically not a monarchy. This was a key factor in the 18th century, since most European (and globally as well) states were monarchies, so being a republic did mean a drastic change in political system compared to the norm. Not so much anymore, since most states in the world are republics, but they have very drastically different political systems, some are dictatorships others democracies.
Yeah, thanks for the correction. Modern Republicanism has a nice Wikipedia page that was worth a perusal.
The former British Colonies tend to use the word “Republican” in a specifically Anti-British-Monarchy way as that Nation sought independence. This does not apply to the US party.
Beginning as Socialist Parties is also a notable trend, though not entirely universal among this category. In this, the US party fits the trend well - but has abandoned that principle. Now they want a damn king too. Its disgusting.
The word “republic” comes from res publica. Public thing.
Indeed, the meaning has been fully distorted, like anything else in the US, and sold to people with no moral, voted by people with no moral.
Yeah, fair point.
The original use? Is not how any single Republican Party I can find actually started. Instead it explicitly Anti-Monarchist, even Socialist Decolonialism for former British Colonies. Even the US party began along these lines - but ya know, the whole selling out thing.
Tell an Irish Republican you voted for Trump. I dare you.
Every “nationalist” believes themselves a “patriot”.
All this image does is allow you to self-soothe that you’re “one of the good ones”.
Patriotism is the little sibling of nationalism, and the boundaries are fluid. I will never understand why people are proud of other people’s accomplishments and make them their own. Or is it because people were shat on somewhere else in the world than everyone else? Makes absolutely no sense.
Is there anything missing from
“Or is it because people were shat on somewhere else in the world than everyone else?”
?
Both are tribalism of different levels of intensity. Our brains are predisposed for us-them mentality, some stronger than others, some can leave it behind others never will. It’s also the most exploitable feeling in the history of our species, with fear may be the close contender.
Obviously a government embracing tribalism leads to horrid shit (everyone without an armband knows it) BUT ignoring it completely allows something else snake its way into that void. If you’re lucky its something vegetarian like football hooliganism, if you-re not – pan-nationalism, religious zealotry, whatever the 4chan incel shit is, people who can’t or won’t leave tribal mentality will find a dirt to roll in.
IMHO it is worth considering implementing a civic religion a-la french republicanism. Yes it can be a gateway to nationalism, but it also lets tribal minded people wave their flags and “guard the civic values” or whatever while the rest of us continue our lives in peace. As a bonus it improves civic participation and if you’re attacked – well there’s already something for you to rally around.
Strange semi related old person story – back in highschool, one of our teachers had the class write essays on whether nationalism was good or bad. We were then given an option to either present our papers, or do a debate exercise with a kind of round robin pro or con. So you’d partner with 1 other person, debate if it was good or bad, then groups of 4 doing the same, until it was the whole class. In my paper and in my discussions, I had used a similar approach as this comic – basically just establishing what nationalism was vs patriotism, and drawing nazi’s in as an example too. No one in those discussions contested that Nazi’s were nationalists – but they still argued in favour of it.
By the end, I was the only person who thought nationalism was overall ‘bad’. The tide had turned in the groups of 8 stage. Because a hot girl had declared her support for nationalism. That’s all it took for people to like/excuse nazis, even back in the early 2000s. An excuse.
#JustEvolvedChimpanzeeThings
Nobody should be patriotic with the genocidal settler colony that is the USA.
Existed just 4 years
Lost a war againt the USA
Prouldy waved 150 years later
But muh heritage…
Patriotism is just a nice word people invented to be proud of their genocidal and colonialist country without feeling too bad about it.
