To be fair, the tankie in this situation said they are bashing because no one wants to plow fields. You can’t serve latte’s if no one is doing the hard work of growing and transporting the coffee.
How about working the oil rig to supply the petroleum needed to ship coffee from South America? You’ll probably lose a finger or two. Any unpaid volunteers?
If you’re talking small commune living then the onus of doing that stuff gets shared by as many people as are able and it’s hard work but it’s shared. If you’re talking greater socialist society it gets done the same way as it’s done now, but the people who do it get paid a much larger share of the value their labor creates and it is incentived to ease the burden where possible because you can’t treat the workers as disposable and cheap.
people who do it get paid a much larger share of the value their labor creates
That’s the tricky part. Without a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat, you have the masses determine value. “The state will wither.” is hand-wavy in the extreme. If the people determine value, that results in Glen Beck being worth hundreds of millions in value while school teachers get minimal just like today.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”
Yeah, totalitarianism is idiotic whether it’s communist in nature or not. A healthy representative democracy with well protected labor unions, employee/government owned services and allowment of free pursuit makes much more sense and is not incompatible with communism.
Though note, I’m not really a communist in that particular sense, I tend to be in favor of a mixed economy with strong union protections and with essential and beneficial services being operated for the public good.
I’d seriously like to know a solution to how to get people to do the hard work. I just don’t have faith that enough would sign up for the hard/dangerous work. Like most, I wouldn’t balk at serving latte’s for free.
Imo, there needs to be a reward for the harder work. But that introduces recording of the value contributed which leads to capitalism again. It’s like living under feudalism, knowing it’s wrong, but not having a solution.
Let people go back to subsistence farming where they either grow it themselves, trade for it or get nothing, if forcing people to do menial work really is that important to you.
Well Intended Leftist: I want to do something productive for society.
Tankie: I want to bash you
To be fair, the tankie in this situation said they are bashing because no one wants to plow fields. You can’t serve latte’s if no one is doing the hard work of growing and transporting the coffee.
How about working the oil rig to supply the petroleum needed to ship coffee from South America? You’ll probably lose a finger or two. Any unpaid volunteers?
If you’re talking small commune living then the onus of doing that stuff gets shared by as many people as are able and it’s hard work but it’s shared. If you’re talking greater socialist society it gets done the same way as it’s done now, but the people who do it get paid a much larger share of the value their labor creates and it is incentived to ease the burden where possible because you can’t treat the workers as disposable and cheap.
That’s the tricky part. Without a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat, you have the masses determine value. “The state will wither.” is hand-wavy in the extreme. If the people determine value, that results in Glen Beck being worth hundreds of millions in value while school teachers get minimal just like today.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”
Yeah, totalitarianism is idiotic whether it’s communist in nature or not. A healthy representative democracy with well protected labor unions, employee/government owned services and allowment of free pursuit makes much more sense and is not incompatible with communism.
Though note, I’m not really a communist in that particular sense, I tend to be in favor of a mixed economy with strong union protections and with essential and beneficial services being operated for the public good.
To be fair, you’re talking about slave labour.
Typical tankie take.
I’d seriously like to know a solution to how to get people to do the hard work. I just don’t have faith that enough would sign up for the hard/dangerous work. Like most, I wouldn’t balk at serving latte’s for free.
Imo, there needs to be a reward for the harder work. But that introduces recording of the value contributed which leads to capitalism again. It’s like living under feudalism, knowing it’s wrong, but not having a solution.
The idea that capitalism rewards the hardest working is ludacris, and communism being “Everyone gets the same everything” is a massive misconception.
Let people go back to subsistence farming where they either grow it themselves, trade for it or get nothing, if forcing people to do menial work really is that important to you.
Or just have machines do all the work.
Do you know how many fingers are lost letting “machines do all the work”? You can’t just hand-wave that away (lol).
People are behind every product you own. That’s why actual communes are a lot of work.
Yeah, with automation and AI, that’s not going to be the case for much longer, and for menial work, that’s a good thing.
Yeah