Capitalism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human anus

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      Except when it’s that thin and crappy, some of it’s going to break off no matter how much you use.

      You can use a lot of it to make the company spend more money refilling, sure, but you can’t do a decent wipe with that crap, pun intended, no matter what you do with it.

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        Just absolutely demolish the toilet every time you use it.

        Make them suck out that half-a-ply-ass-TP with oil rig equipment.

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        Gotta do the star fold with the thin stuff, get the grain aligned like plywood to keep it from splitting.

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          You mean like some sort of asshole origami? Assigami?

          I don’t think I’ve ever wiped my ass with a star. Other than that weird weekend with Ryan Seacrest, of course.

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      As a person with bidet at home, I actually carry my own paper when I poo in public places.

      I do know that makes me insane.

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          I’m mostly at home, but the stuff at my work is what you’d put in boxes with gifts for holidays lawl

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      I don’t see why it makes any difference whether it’s two-ply coiled 50 times around the roll, or one-ply coiled 100 times around the roll.

      I actually prefer a handful of one ply. It’s soft and there are more gaps between the plys which makes your handful puffier. You just have to take a longer piece. If that extra effort results in people conserving over time: great.

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    I love these false economies that some corporate bean counter thinks saves the company money

    Because you see, whenever I see this trash in a cubicle, I lovingly build my own 8-ply, using more paper and burning company time

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      They thought the service they hired was the least expensive.

      The Janitorial service is the one cutting costs because they are not the ones using the toilet paper and they only care about their bottom line.

      Nicer paper means they lose the contract. Capitalism and somebody else’s problem all the way down.

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        I’m in a warehouse that gets it by the pallet. Still the same cheap 1 ply trash, only we distribute it to the other company locations as well as us.

        We don’t have janitors, just one random poor soul assigned to deal with it each day.

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        This toilet paper is less and saving money on toilet paper and more about saving money on plumbing.

        The nice multiply, soft booty hole paper doesn’t break down as easily in the pipe. In your house this isn’t always a problem, there are few people shitting and wiping there, and the distance to the street is relatively small. It can be a problem, if you’re a heavy wiper on an old house using Charmin, but most of the time it’s a non issue.

        In an office building it’s a different story. Hundreds of people on multiple floors, with someone practically always shitting. And the cost to even call a plumber to an office building starts at 4 figures for a cheap visit, with the affected stall down for days. If the entire bathroom isn’t closed.

        So, yes, the 1/3rd ply paper sucks, it’s absolutely about saving money, just not on the paper.

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          Where the pipes that are supposed to come out of the porta-johns? Cause that sounds like bullshit to me. And porta-johns is where I mostly see that kind of toilet paper.

          Also the cost for a plumber to visit an office doesn’t start at 4-figures. My friend is a plumber and says even at a 4 hour minimum call out it won’t hit 4 figures, even in HCOL areas. I’m an electrician and I believe because we make similar and I know how much I charge out.

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      What always gets me when I see paper like this, is just how much manpower, engineering time, experimentation, materials science, and just sheer concerted effort went into making paper this fucking thin and useless.

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        I like how the dispensers roll holder is always too tight so it over tensions and breaks the paper and the elasticity sends it back up and around the top of the roll. Then you have to pull the roll through by pushing up against it at the same time to get it back out but you go the wrong way so you reverse and then there’s too much length so that when it comes free it’s too long and it touches the ground. So you break it off and throw it away and start again, pulling the roll only for it to over tension and snap again

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        Also what manager or purchaser looks at the Costco TP flat, then looks at this and thinks this is somehow a better option?

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          It’s probably because they are hoping the purchaser is using a spreadsheet going “x cents per sheet” and this is rigged to jump to the top of that sort order

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        11 months ago

        This is the raw material real toilet paper is made of. Similarly, you could also buy sewing thread to make your own rope. Not the most practical idea really, but it is possible.

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      It definitely doesn’t work like that.

      Even 20 layers of that stuff is still like using wax paper to schmear melted chocolate.

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      That only works if the paper isn’t slippery.

      It just slides over each other, ripping one part if you pull just a little too hard and the other sticking to your ass.

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    Oh look, it’s “using 3x as much toilet paper than normal because management wanted to save money so they got worthless toilet paper that only costs half as much as regular”.

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      When I worked at a grocery store, we had very cheap paper towels to absorb messes, and had to use a ton of them to actually clean up a mess. This is the part I never understood, you cheap out on the paper, now I have to use way more. Likely a multiple higher than how much cheaper it is. It’s only cheaper to buy, it’s very shortsighted.

      Eventually they wised up and got us real, good paper towels. We used way, way less, and interestingly we only had good paper towels from that point forward.

      Edit: Can’t forget to mention the extra labor costs with more time spent cleaning up a mess!

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      If those numbers are real, that means that going with the cheap paper ends up being 50% more expensive in the long run.

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        11 months ago

        Checks out against every time a company tried to cheap out. But then, they also do not care because by the time it matters the decision makers have moved on. With bonuses!😟

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    When I encounter single ply, I intentionally use three times as much. I’m vindictive.

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      My grandad used to buy this stuff that was like tracing paper. Like a thin version of baking paper. Absolutely useless for wiping your arse on.

      I’m convinced he had that as a decoy so we wouldn’t shit at his house.

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      I buy single ply for home and use more of it but that’s the beauty of it. Buying something like Cottonelle is going to be miserable on the pipes at home. You can use more single ply but because it isn’t meant to be used like a paper towel, you can still flush it and trust it to break down appropriately. We have bidets installed on all the toilets too.

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      DIY quarter of the roll ply. Even then, it’s still not enough to prevent surprise prostate checks.

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    “We need everyone back to the office. There is no reason for you to work from home”…

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      Between getting shit on your fingers and the airborne diseases lofting over the cubical walls everyone will be calling out soon.

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    My dad always told me that when a company switches to single ply toilet paper, it’s time to gtfo bc the writing is on the wall. Company’s going under.

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    If bidets became commonplace, it would reduce the need for toilet paper greatly! Ask me, I know! Got one for $40.00 from Amazon, attached in minutes. Best thing since sliced bread

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      I did the exact same. I never want to go back. Though Ill be honest, I have never tried sliced bread on the anus.

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        Dude, it takes like 5 minutes to install. There is no complicated plumbing. One existing bendy pipe is forked into two - your tank and the bidet.

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          For a simple cold water model, sure. Maybe theirs is heated and needs a second water line run to the main plumbing, or a power cable somewhere which can be awkward in a bathroom.

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            yeah i am not shooting cold water down there in the middle of winter. heated bidet or paper.

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        Same here! Makes me wonder why it took so long to discover something the Europeans have had for many years

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      Doesn’t it involve plumbing? I’m not good with plumbing. I’m picturing water everywhere, like the time I fixed my sink.

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        Not that much “plumbing” if you wanna call it that.

        1. Turn the nozzle on the water line, from the wall to the tank, off.
        2. Unscrew the line and add the bidet line to it.
        3. Screw line back in.
        4. Turn nozzle back on.
        5. Enjoy a clean booty.
      • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
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        Yes it involves plumbing, but just barely. It’s super easy. Everything screws in with no more than a simple wrench. There is no soldering, cutting, specialized tools, or anything like that. If you can screw and unscrew the cap on a soda bottle, you can do this.

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          I can’t connect a garden hose without water leaking out the connections, so I’m not sure how well I’d fare with indoor plumbing

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              It’s not a fault per se, it’s just the result of cheap, UV resistant, outdoor weatherable products.

              You wouldn’t buy tight fitting metal couplers, for this, mostly because they would be expensive as hell and too hard to deal with any grit in the connections.

              Apples and oranges

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        If you have a newer home, it only involves removing the water feed line to your toilet tank (turn water at shut-off valve first) and installing the hose to the bidet. It is very simple process as long as your toilet and home is not too old. When parts are old and corroded from time, it can be a bit more involved. Check out YT for “do it yourself” vids.

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      Just one? I got a 2 pack for $40. They’ve been installed since March with zero issues. And single ply works just fine at home because I don’t feel like completely wrecking the plumbing in our house built in 1936. If you really have a problem with single ply, might I suggest you re-evaluate how well you’re washing your hands?

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      So … don’t you need paper to dry off? How do you keep from spraying water everywhere and getting your clothes wet? Forgive my cluelessness, but I’ve often wondered how it works.

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        yes, you do need a small amount of TP to dry off. The spray is narrow and precise it aims pretty naturally to the right “place”. Over spray has never been a problem with clothing in my experience. It really is a wonderful invention.

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    Hopefully they realize it won’t save them anything when people use an entire roll every time they shit.

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    This should be against the ADA. Many Americans have Crohn’s, ulcerative colitis, IBS, and other issues which make them need to use the restroom frequently. Using toilet paper of that quality quickly becomes painful and causes inflammation.

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    Bidet and/or toilet seat with butt washer.

    I mean when you step in shit, you don’t just tissue your foot or shoe, you wash it down at the earliest opportunity. Why should it be different for butts?

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      Can’t say I’ve ever seen a bidet at a workplace or public bathroom…

      The pic doesn’t exactly look like a home bathroom.

      /edit: spelling

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        The lebanese joint near my office has a bidet in the public washrooms.

        I think it’s weird. Bidets aren’t weird, one in a random Canadian public washroom in a Lebanese joint next to a tire place is weird.

        The food is amazing. Legit good stuff.

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        I’ve first encountered one at a big mall in Thailand (Terminal 21) so it does get a bit of traffic. That was 2012, and as of 2022 they were still there, looking pretty original. They can take a beating.

        I added one to the home last year. I’ll never go back to plain paper again.

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      I agree, but you still need to dry yourself lest you get diaper rash and fragile sandpaper is no good