• Rapidcreek@reddthat.comOP
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    11 months ago

    “rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea” … “the Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them.”

    Hamas’ 1988 charter

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      11 months ago

      Thanks I was too lazy to find the exact citation.

      Do you see the difference between what you said and their charter ? What Hamas wants is awful enough, no need to exaggerate.

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        11 months ago

        OP is misleading. Hamas has a new 2017 charter, which has change a lot. As far as I can remember, they had alterd their demand/charter, where the main clause is to have the Israel/Palestine border to be as of 1967.

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        11 months ago

        When they say kill jews they mean all, everywhere. They’ve even stated this to the press.

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            11 months ago

            Oh that’s all? Thank goodness forcible displacement using coercive threats on a civilian population isnt a war crime. I don’t understand why you are splitting hairs on the goals of this openly genocidal group. Supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean you have to go to bat for Hamas.

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              Where do you see that I’m supporting them? I literally reiterated in many comments that what they want is a war crime. No need to invent some other objectives they are plenty awful enough.

              Truth matters, especially in conflicts like this.

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              Actually resisting oppression and removing the oppressors from your land is indeed not a war crime.

              Just like how the Ukrainians have the right to expell the Russians colonizing Crimea.

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                It really didn’t take much to get you in the mood to justify a targeted attack on civilians did it. I’m consistent in my view that it’s wrong to murder civilians, but it doesn’t seem like you are.

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            11 months ago

            You really want me to give you recent quotes from their leaders? You want to look that stupid?

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              11 months ago

              Well yes ? How else would you want to do this. I just gave you an example of a senior Hamas officer saying kill all Jews and Hamas saying they do not agree.

              I have no doubt Hamas leadership is a bunch of genocidal maniacs but their official stance has been in the past the forceful displacement and nowadays it’s the return to pre 1967 borders. They are ready to admit to the existence of Israel, not by pleasure mind you, but their official stance nowadays is that they are partially open to a two state solution if the right to return is put in place.

              This might be a bunch of lies, but it is their official position.