Molly is only available on Android, as far as differences it is a hardened fork of signal with an encrypted database, what that means in practice is even if someone was actively probing your phone to try to gain access to messages they wouldn’t be able to due to the encryption. It’s very useful if you are an active target or you don’t trust your phone os to play nice. I personally use it myself and really like it but in general it’s not terribly different.
What problem does am encrypted database solve? The phone itself is encrypted through a combination of hardware key storage and the user password, so offline storage attacks aren’t relevant.
If you can access the Signal database, you have root access or something close to it. If you have root access, injecting a simple Frida gadget into a running app is basically three commands away, which will allow you do do any operation as that app, including dumping the secret keys or emailing a copy to someone else.
Encrypted databases are a useful measure to slow down reverse engineering by a day or two, but they don’t provide any additional security. They do allow for harder to recover database issues to happen, though.
It’s only encrypted in a BFU state, (before first unlock). Police can probe your phone for data using a tool by cellebrite without root. GrapheneOS includes a auto rebooting feature to place it back in a BFU state but other phones will lack this feature. Using Molly’s database lock allows you to not trust the OS itself by encrypting it.
The main issue with encrypting the database using Molly’s setup is you’ll miss notifications and calls until you unlock, this might be able to be fixed using a different database encryption setup but as it stands it would be inconvenient for many.
Yeah I know it’s not on iOS I still love Android so I try to stay up to date on Android as well even not having one. My iPhone is paid for by work so I just don’t complain .
True but I work outside and have lost devices before sometimes it is out of are control and we still misplace devices especially when the fall out a pocket I was only pointing out I personally won’t use it for that reason is all I still would rather use Lineage OS over Graphene OS but I don’t think I will because of that one thing. I am looking at buying a used pixel hopefully soon.
the more third party apps you have, the higher your attack surface and a decrease in security. I love my mods but this isn’t really a solution and should be an os feature.
What is the difference between regular signal app I am on iOS so doesn’t matter just curious?
Molly is only available on Android, as far as differences it is a hardened fork of signal with an encrypted database, what that means in practice is even if someone was actively probing your phone to try to gain access to messages they wouldn’t be able to due to the encryption. It’s very useful if you are an active target or you don’t trust your phone os to play nice. I personally use it myself and really like it but in general it’s not terribly different.
What problem does am encrypted database solve? The phone itself is encrypted through a combination of hardware key storage and the user password, so offline storage attacks aren’t relevant.
If you can access the Signal database, you have root access or something close to it. If you have root access, injecting a simple Frida gadget into a running app is basically three commands away, which will allow you do do any operation as that app, including dumping the secret keys or emailing a copy to someone else.
Encrypted databases are a useful measure to slow down reverse engineering by a day or two, but they don’t provide any additional security. They do allow for harder to recover database issues to happen, though.
It’s only encrypted in a BFU state, (before first unlock). Police can probe your phone for data using a tool by cellebrite without root. GrapheneOS includes a auto rebooting feature to place it back in a BFU state but other phones will lack this feature. Using Molly’s database lock allows you to not trust the OS itself by encrypting it.
edit: corrected cellbrite to cellebrite
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Yeah I realize it is android only and that makes sense that is exactly what I was looking for surprised signal doesn’t encrypt the database honestly.
They used to. Then they removed it. And Molly forked and put it back in.
Makes sense thank you for clarification
The main issue with encrypting the database using Molly’s setup is you’ll miss notifications and calls until you unlock, this might be able to be fixed using a different database encryption setup but as it stands it would be inconvenient for many.
That makes allot of sense why signal does not have it would be a issue for most regular users.
It has a completely FOSS version that is available on F-droid. It also implements a pin which signal removed for convenience.
Its not available for ios
Yeah I know it’s not on iOS I still love Android so I try to stay up to date on Android as well even not having one. My iPhone is paid for by work so I just don’t complain .
For android Lineage os the best with F-droid as a app store.
Many will disagree with me but Lineage os has the best support and is updated once a month. None of your privacy ROMs can compete with that
Yeah but Linage OS does not relock the bootloader for extra security so if you lose physical access to your phone it is now vulnerable.
True so don’t lose your phone. Its encrypted and you can use third party apps to auto wipe under certain circumstances
True but I work outside and have lost devices before sometimes it is out of are control and we still misplace devices especially when the fall out a pocket I was only pointing out I personally won’t use it for that reason is all I still would rather use Lineage OS over Graphene OS but I don’t think I will because of that one thing. I am looking at buying a used pixel hopefully soon.
the more third party apps you have, the higher your attack surface and a decrease in security. I love my mods but this isn’t really a solution and should be an os feature.
How would that be implemented? The way stock does it is though proprietary software
what is proprietary about a locked bootloader? the only android fork i can recommend is GrapheneOS. you relock the bootloader on that as well.