The fact that people look at Biden and go “Yeah but he sucks!” when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.
A wave of lava lapping at you’re feet and y’all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.
Either we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent americans or we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent non-americans like the last twenty presidents.
Absolutely ridiculous to think Trump wouldn’t kill non-americans.
The choice is genocide overseas, or tyranny here and genocide overseas.
It fucking sucks, but the GOP needs to be dismantled before we can bargain for better options.
I don’t think trump wouldn’t kill non-americans I just figured it was a given and wouldn’t need to be mentioned.
Your original comment implied that you’re choosing one kind of death or the other, the fact is Trump will cause more suffering and to handwave it to be the same as Biden is dangerous.
Yeah trump is old too, but if he dies, nobody cares. If Biden does though, all we have left is Harris to protect us from Johnson.
Cool.
HE IS STILL YOUR ONLY OPTION.
I’m not pretending like I respect anyone anymore who isnt voting for biden. Does it suck that this situation happened? Yep. But it happened from decades of Americans not giving a fuck. You don’t get to whine now when it matters more than anything else.
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The candidate who is currently president after winning the election in which he earned the popular vote? That unpopular candidate?
I’m not denying it and I, for one, am happilly voting for Biden. I’m emphasizing the reason why him being old is scary.
No. You said something that indicates anything other than utter orgasmic delight at the prospect of Biden being the best the party will ever be willing to do. That means you’re a trumpist.
Biden’s presidency has been the best for progressives in 50 years. The outrage about Biden is laughable.
You do know if Biden died a new vice president would then be appointed, right? I could see congress trying to hold that up but I think the Republicans would face an uphill battle, and that’s only presuming they don’t lose their house majority like they did in 2020.
Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.
Am I going to? Absolutely.
We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they’re continuing to strip from everyone
I just want to know what’s going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn’t left enough for them.
Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I’m not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn’t safe enough and next time they’ll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.
Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He’s not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.
I expect some of it is astroturf like the that white republican guy who had a fake black guy alt and spent his time calling democrats racist. I think people underestimate the sheer amount of billionaire money the republican aparatus has and why its still going despite it being widely unpopular.
The other thing is Biden actually has made some good appointments but the corporate media doesn’t like them so they don’t, for instance, want to praise the NLRB appointments.
Can Trump just die already?
Only the good die young
Betty White had a dark past we never talk about.
I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.
Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.
It’s by design. We don’t want the disparity in wealth to shrink so we only elect people who exacerbate it.
We got this guy Not Sure.
He’s got a higher IQ than every man alive.
He’s going to fix everything.
I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin’ politics are infuriating.
Alright, I’ll say it. I like Joe. He’s low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He’s fucking Putin in every which way he can. He’s talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.
Jesus, Joe, why say that? You’ll lose a lot of people who are on the fence by admitting your heart’s not really in it.
He may be the best we’ve got, and I’m still voting for him for the same reason he’s running, but Biden has been such a terrible disappointment. He’s wasted the time he’s had.
Can I ask a stupid question? How is he running? I thought he was impeached, and I thought that meant he couldn’t run again?
He was never convicted in his impeachment trials.
While you are a sitting president, you cannot stand trial until the process of impeachment is complete. Impeachment just means the house of representatives thinks there’s enough evidence to have a full hearing in the Senate. Impeachment is not a trial and thus no official verdict can be made, only the Senate can do that.
There have been a few lawsuits citing that engaging in insurrection means he can’t be put on the ballot but so far all the courts have said that secretaries of state have to put him on the ballot if he wins the primary.
Not quite correct. The house of Representatives votes to send articles of impeachment to the Senate detailing the charges. This starts a trial. After all evidence has been presented the senate votes on whether to convict or acquit the president. The vote requires a supermajority (2/3) in order to convict. Three presidents have been impeached in the history of the USA. None have ever been convicted by the senate.
I agree on the not letting him win part.
My concern is… what if Trump runs again when he’s 81? What if he wins? What if an 81 year old Trump is literally running the country?
Jesus fucking Christ…
Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?
That is a hella sad implication.
It’s kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass “I’m not trump” he ran on last time… Not that “I’m not trump” isn’t worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can’t hold up anything else, after 4 years?
Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?
Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking “no risks”. I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I’m like wtf. DNC slogan should be “not the GOP”. Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.
It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?
I voted for Biden to stop fascism and now there’s a genocide happening with Biden’s full support.
Yeah this is the biggest complaint I keep seeing. It’s completely true, it’s also really really dangerous to not vote or vote third party because of that at this moment. I agree that it’s totally messed up but it’s still better than what will happen if trump gets elected.
I’m just hoping the people saying this will at least vote blue while also holding Biden accountable.
You can’t hold Biden accountable and also elect him President lol
Biden needs to reverse course on Israel or else he is going to lose. Does genocide Joe love killing Palestinian children more than he wants to stop Trump?
And how would that be any different with any of the last dozen presidents in power?
When was the last time the US didn’t back Israel while they’ve been shooting at the Palestinians?
This is so much worse.
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How ironic, he’s literally the only guy who can lose to Trump. Get another Democrat candidate.
I can think of a ton of democrats that would fare worse than him in a general election versus Trump. I know lemmy at large (and my own personal politics) don’t align with a more centrist Democrat but with first past the post voting targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
Oh, is that how Trump won?
Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton. Coincidentally, she’s one of the Democrats that would do worse than Biden in a general election against Trump
Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton.
Oh, really? Is that why Democrats been blaming progressives and only progressives for her loss ever since?
The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them. I don’t like the fact that money is what drives politics but it’s where this country is at. Doesn’t change the fact that Hillary has a very high unfavorability rating, especially in swing states.
Also, you’re allowed to disagree with me without posing it as a leading question.
The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them.
That doesn’t mean they have to blame progressives, but holy fuck do they love doing so.
Agreed. I think that speaks to how entrenched all this dark money is. I think repealing citizens United and implementing something like single transferable vote instead of first past the post would do a lot to fix American democracy and actually empower people over capital
And he’s also the only one who’s even remotely worth winning. Seeing as how all the good options aren’t even attempting a campaign. And even if they were, the DNC has basically already decided Biden will be the candidate.
P sure ya’ll said the same thing on 2020…
A wet flannel would have beaten Trump in 2020. It turned out a wet flannel did.
Biden’s presidency has been the best in 50 years for progressives. lol.
Everyone grow the fuck up. Brandon’s all you got.
