I was looking into Tailscale which I thought to be complexly open source, but it turns out that their coordination server is closed source. If you want to run your own open source coordination server, Headscale is the go-to option.
This is no fault of their own (as they freely express this in their FAQ) it’s just that I had always been told by people that Tailscale was fully open source. This got me wondering what else is not as open source as people widely accept it to be?
Telegram is known for being open source, but since it isn’t, you can’t self-host it. Does that count in the sense if your question?
I am not a fan of telegram, but the clients and the protocol are open source.
Where Telegram seems to come in handy is using the bots to send alerts, e.g. from Uptime Kuma. That’s all I use it for, I presume that’s what most of us use it for?
If that’s what you are using it for, I would suggest looking into Matrix / Element. Just as easy, completely open source and self hostable. Wide variety of client choices for every OS.
The server, though, is made in pretty inefficient python, eating a lot of resources to run. There are rust, c++ and go implementations promising to be less intensive
I think for the purpose of 99% if the self hosters, which is an instance for maybe a of a couple of hundred of users, this doesnt matter at all:
Plex
Obsidian.
Closed source application but open source data. I’m okay with this.
One of the many reasons i prefer opensense
Weird, who are those people saying that? Never heard of TS, Obsidian, or PFSense being open source.
TS is the only one I use, and I know they employ people working on headscale.
To some extent, WordPress. It is totally open source of course, but practically many people will likely use plugins that require a Pro version that isn’t, and/or themes that aren’t.
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I had no idea, thanks !!
Obsidian sync server.
Budibase
I’d count OnlyOffice in that group.
Quick scroll through their github tells me they are OSS, some things under AGPL and some under Apache2. What makes you think they aren’t?
Well, it’s more attitude than verbatim licensing, which is the reason the Nextcloud originally tried to partner with them, then immediately changed to Collabora. Some issues:
- There’s a user limit in the open version. This itself makes it more like a freemium model than open source.
- Mobile editing and other features continue to be removed.
I’ll just say that while it’s technically FOSS, it’s not community open source. There’s a company that writes it all and open sources a portion of what they write. The company isn’t FOSS friendly and continues to squeeze. It’s not too much different to why MySQL got forked.
Android
True, imagine using Android without Google’s propietary dependencies.
Seafile, if you want such advanced features as “full text search”.
Tailscale is using “being opensource” as a marketing term and it’s working. The coordination server is a center piece of the architecture, the client being open is meaningless
Another example of this is Plex, many people don’t actually know the fact that it went closed and that only the client is open source
This is a non-sense argument. The client does all the heavy lifting while the “coordination server” is basically a glorified REST server you can in most parts replace with a web server hosting a bunch of static JSON files.
Tailscale is open source in all aspects that really matter, that being the protocols used and all aspects regarding security.
There is however an open source implementation (Headscale) and they even have employees working part time on that code base.
What is a self-hosted app/os/service/ect
Just what…?? smh
Another genious post from you was recently:
What switch would be good to run openWRT on that is proven reliable and resource capable? It would need at least 10x 1Gb ports, but I guess more would be better to use link aggregation. I only have 1.2 Gbs upload speed so I don't need anything too industrial.I'm looking to spend under $500 on one and I'm perfectly willing to buy used from eBay. (I got my supermicro board and xeon and ecc ram used there for my NAS and they've been going great for a couple years now.)And then you deleted it.
I was looking into Tailscale which I thought to be complexly open source, but it turns out that their coordination server is closed source. If you want to run your own open source coordination server, Headscale is the go-to option.
Yes, so if you want to fully selfhost Tailscale, use Headcale. Whats the problem?
that I had always been told by people that Tailscale was fully open source.
Stop listening to “those people” then.
This got me wondering what else is not as open source as people widely accept it to be?
Portainer Business Edition (afaik) isnt open source but the Community Edition is.
get sober
I am? :o
Are you okay?
Seek therapy. Your responses are neither helpful nor witty. If anything, you’re a menace to humanity, your family, your ‘friends’ (if you had any), and general society around you. I feel sorry for anyone who has to interact with you on a regular basis. Your mother would be ashamed of you.
I hope you become a better person.
Awwww :(
Yeah, sure, but my comment wasn’t great today, and the comment that was downvoted and that you’re criticising, while not particularly nice, actually contains more useful information than most of the other comments.
Yes, the comment is not nice, but also not wrong imho. I mean, what’s the point of the question? OP got wrong or inaccurate information from random people (probably on reddit) and is now asking random people on reddit if there are other things that random people on reddit are giving wrong or inaccurate information about ;-)
what’s the point of the question?
The premise of the question is to open a discussion about software that lives in a de facto state of being completely open source.
asking random people on reddit
As opposed to asking whom on a hodgepodge full of strangers?
if there are other things that random people on reddit are giving wrong or inaccurate information about
As opposed to not opening a discussion where erroneous information is not brought to attention…
The premise of the question is to open a discussion about software that lives in a de facto state of being completely open source.
just because you and maybe two others here thought Tailscale was “fully” open source doesn’t make it a “de facto” thing ;-)
As opposed to asking whom on a hodgepodge full of strangers?
That was my point. The question itself makes very little sense, as the answers are not representative. (see above). Unless of course you just want to have a a discussion, for the sake of the discussion, which is of course fine :-)
As opposed to not opening a discussion where erroneous information is not brought to attention…
Well, the problem is that your premise is purely anecdotal. Or to put it another way, you could list any closed source software here because someone in the whole wide world has probably mistaken it for OSS ;-)
I mean, what’s the point of the question?
Even if OP’s original premise might not be ‘accurate,’ OP’s question generated a decent discussion. if that’s not the point of forums and subforums, idk what else is.
Chill, everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
