Left is BOE, right is presumably Samsung
Samsung panel photo taken from here:
My LE Deck OLED has BOE screen which I confirmed through that firmware dump command. I don’t have any dead pixels or any issue with the screen, but I think this difference in su-pixel structure is VERY interesting.
There’s been some complaint about red/green fringes on text, but not everyone seems to see it equally well. I looked at mine, Even looking very closely to the point Im seeing individual pixels and the small gaps between the pixels, I just don’t see it.
If we zoom in and look at the text, this is in desktop mode in Chrome, we can see there is in fact no sub-pixel anti-aliasing, the font is made up of whole pixels.
BTW I think BOE layout is better than Samsung because every pixel is symmetrical and the gaps are evenly distributed. Where as the Samsung has alternating left/right leaning blue pixels, which creates a big gap every two pixels, and this can lead to a slightly more grainy look.
You can also see the slight blurring effect from the anti-glare screen I have on mine. The blur radius is smaller than these sub-pixels, it cannot reduce the sharpness of displayed images, but it can soften the appearance of individual pixels.
As someone who wouldn’t tell the difference between either screen in person side by side, I’d rather have the reliability of the Samsung panel for better or worse.
Correct me if I’m wrong here. As a fan of Samsung products I feel the BOE pixel layout looks better and more… together?.. vs the Samsung. I feel like it would make a better and shaper image because the pixels are much more uniform on the BOE vs the Samsung?
This is the observation I came away with having both of them side by side. I know my opinion is subjective and I have a small sample size of one of each panel but I was pleasantly surprised seeing the uniformity and clarity of the BOE panel next to the Samsung.
yes and that seems to be the case.
I just got my oled deck last night and on boot up when the steam icon comes up I noticed a dead pixel right away. I didn’t want to have to run a dead pixel test but this one was literally front and center of the screen. I ran the test and noticed it has like 3-5 dead pixels total. I didn’t check if it is a boe or Samsung though I reached out as quick as I could to do an rma. I hope there are still limited editions in stock to replace the one I got.
BOE(Best on Earth) panels are thought of the best panels on Arcade LCD and OLED games like Arcade 1up.
Looks like I have BOE screen. Idc but it’s interesting to know the differences. My blue subpixel is hard to see. It’s white text so idk how it’s not shining blue that bright. The size of the subpixels is consistent and has even spacing.
I love this, you would not see Apple fan boys going into such details. You guys rock!
And here I was thinking the BOE panel was worse, too bad I have a dead blue subpixel :(
hey /u/HardwareUnboxed, can you investigate this on Monitors Unboxed please?
The reason you don’t see sub-pixel anti-aliasing in Chrome or Firefox is because they apply their own rendering settings which is greyscale and you don’t have control over what they do.
Ungoogled Chromium will respect the system settings (I use it with anti-aliasing off) so you could set RGB or whatever subpixel arrangement (none is greyscale) in the display settings and then look in there… but what would be better would be simply to set it and then go back to gaming mode and look at how the text in the interface is rendered.
it’s the same thing in the task bar and desktop
Anyone know if the 1TB uses BOE? I got a 512 with a Samsung panel, and the greys are grainy. I would like to return it and get a BOE panel.
Only the LE has the BOE panel. The 1TB standard OLED will have a Samsung panel
Got it, thanks for letting me know. I suppose I should just be happy and stick with what I have. It’s a little grainy on greys but it’s not the end of the world and isn’t really noticeable in games so far.
No problem! If it’s not too bad I would keep it. The one I received is pretty bad so you could potentially do worse exchanging it. If you want to test it in a game you can download a demo of inside, that game uses the problematic grey right at the start menu.
Dude, it’s not even noticeable. Stop listening to the garbage in this subreddit. It’s all in your head now that ONE user made this comparison.
It’s noticeable even on phones with smaller screens and higher resolutions. This also didn’t appear yesterday, it’s an old problem with Samsung displays.
Interesting, thanks for the post. Given the differences in structure I am now more interested in what Samsung is claiming BOE infringed upon.
Oled is much more than a subpixel layout ehich can differ per screen, purpose and usecase. Subpixel layouts are often selected on balance and subpixel durability. Some oled colors wear out faster, thats why they make some larger or smaller to balance things out.
It is a established fact that the chinese stole oled trchnology from samsung.
If it’s an established fact, how about you post some fucking sources, bud?
We know and you know that we know, stop acting coy.
You guys are neurotic 😂
Seriously. I have an OLED coming later this week. Should I cancel my order if I’m going to start obsessing over pixel structure and the type of panel in my Deck? It seems to be a side effect of getting one
The girl part was unnecessary as the average redditor is a 12 year old boy.
This new game you all oled owners are currently playing looks kinda meh tbh
Reminds me of TN vs IPS 3DSs
Wait do some 3DSs use IPS panels? I swear mine has TN.
Yes. And the holy grail is IPS top and bottom. More common is IPS top only.
My N3DS XL happens to be that. Now I just need to capture mod it at some point and it’ll be the ULTIMATE 3DS lol
Can you just buy new ips panels for them and swap them in?
You know, a lot of people are hating on this, but I think just being able to see this kind of data is fun. I don’t really have the equipment to analyze this sort of stuff, so being able to see it like this is interesting. I have an OLED, and I have no interest in checking, but I love that there’s people who want to look into this and just have fun doing it.
Keep having fun, and always stay curious! Don’t let the hate here get to you.
Have a good one!
As someone who’s into retro gaming, I agree. I was recently messing with the shadow mask maker on my N64Digital and what you’re making is essentially the same thing. It’s fun trying out different phosphor layouts, which are basically the “subpixels” of a CRT. I don’t know if the new RetroTink will have shadow/aperture customization, I assume so, but I’m definitely messing with that on the Morph when I get mine
This is a big deal on VR headsets. Subpixel arrangement makes a big difference on perceivable quality. With the Meta Quest 3, they tilted the display and how the aliasing works had to change on the displays. It’s pretty fascinating to me.
It certainly beats “just got my deck” (picture of someone holding a deck) posts.
“Heres the millionth example posted today alone that shows the difference between LCD and OLED in case you guys forgot from the last 10 posted within this minute alone”.
For real though, this post is informative and interesting and I don’t even have an OLED deck.
BOE pixel structure looks superior to me.
Superior in image quality maybe.
Afaik samsung does this to help with oled degradation. So after a year or two the samsung should look better.
