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      But the confusion is fleeting, as it always is, because they don’t have the brain power to process the cognitive dissonance.

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          If the pattern follows, those young teen Millennials somehow are to blame even though there are Millennials in their 40s now.

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            I mean, it’s been just long enough so that Gen Z can just start calling Millennials Boomers and placing the blame all on them… which won’t be wrong either. Overall, Millennials didn’t change how they lived to account for things like climate change. They didn’t stand together as a society and reduce waste. I’m as guilty as anyone else, but its cyclic and Millennials just got caught in the absolute dog shit part of the cycle where we were blamed all growing up, and will be blamed on the way to our deathbeds.

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              Overall, Millennials didn’t change how they lived to account for things like climate change. They didn’t stand together as a society and reduce waste.

              First, when has ANY age group coordinated across every nationality around the globe to “stand together”? Add to that, the age at which you’re suggesting this should have occurred is right when they were reaching adulthood and barely grasping how the adult world works themselves. At the same time they were coming of age during back to back global financial crises with and even book-ended by one of the most deadly pandemics in human history, while also having the fewest resources to affect change. “Standing together as a society” is unrealistic at any age, much less the one they were given.

              Second, I’d argue at the individual level they made some of the largest shifts to low and lower carbon options than any other group. One example would be Veganism which would address the 17% of climate change gases from livestock. Many of them embraced bicycles instead of cars and small EVs such as scooters.

              I’m not a Millennial or a vegan nor do I own a small EV scooter, but looking at all the generations alive today, I’d argue Millennials have done the most to combat climate change in spite of the other generations alive working against their efforts.

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                4% of millennials are vegan. 77% of millennials drive a car regularly (64% own them, an additional 13% drive a car owned by someone in their family).

                Sure, but that’s still far, far, far, far, far from enough to offset climate change and the issues Gen Z will be facing because of it. Not to be too much of a Doomer, but when you’re facing the very real possibility of modern society collapsing under the weight of out-of-control climate change by 2050, all the patting yourself on the back for doing more than others feels… superfluous.

                I’m literally a millennial, and have seen that the vast majority of us don’t give a flying fuck (that’s why only 4% of us are vegan), just like previous generations. I’m not trying to be a dick to millennials, I’m trying to be honest with myself about my peers and my own generations failure to the future.

                Sure we did some, but if society still collapses, who will fucking give a shit?

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              Millennials have done a great job raising Generation A and the Zoomers… the kids today by and large are way more aware and woke

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              Cyclical but unjust. I already feel bad for the shit millennials will eventually get. They had none of the money or power to prevent anything. Yeah, “standing together” could have theoretically done something, but it would have required a degree of sustained (by which I mean decades), disciplined effort that very large groups of humans aren’t capable of. Hell, just by looking at the cost of living, anyone can see that millennials are having a hard time simply affording to survive.

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                Oh I agree wholeheartedly. I wasn’t meant to be bashing millennials, but rather pointing out that Gen Z will have sadly valid complaints, even if it doesn’t justify it because millennials never really had political control during our lives to speak of, partially because of how dwarfed we continued to be by Boomers, as a generation. Gen Z only outnumbers them because so many of them finally started dying. Millennials never had a chance, just like Gen X, who is just forgotten generally.

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        It’s just a trailer option for the cybertruck that’s basically a stationary 700hp engine idling without a muffler. It’s not generating power, just smoke.

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        Hey @elonmusk Why Cant People Roll Cole In There Telsa’s? Your Not A Real Man If Your Not Rolin Coal —@RealPatroit1776

        @RealPatroit1776 looking into it —@elonmusk

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      this is one of the few levers of power we have. remember that every nickel they have comes from us working and us buying.

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          To be fair, I think one could argue with a straight face that if we’re still buying the products, then we really don’t care that much. Why should a company be motivated by morality if we as a society collectively aren’t?

          We should hold ourselves to the same standards or we’re just hypocrites.

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            In principle I’m inclined to agree, however isn’t this glossing over the degree to which markets are consolidated?

            You try to opt out of products/services and choose more ethical alternatives, but it turns out the most readily available alternatives are in some way connected to the same unethical parent company. Ultimately the individualistic approach to addressing these matters is untenable and requires collective action in some form (ideally it would be leveraging a government that reflects the interests of the people).

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              And those companies have spent a ton of time and effort discouraging and preventing people from collectivizing via union busting. There’s a huge power asymmetry at play here, an individual should not be held to the same standard of accountability as the people who literally control the economy through non-democratic or straight up unelected positions of leadership (board of investors or private CEOs respectively). They can, at any moment, choose to reduce their profit margin for the betterment of the planet - but they don’t, because as a small group of owners, they exist to profit so they would never agree to do so in a meaningful way*. And because they’re collectivised and we’re not (just look at the swathe of antitrust cases where businesses that are supposed to compete, have instead chosen to act like a cartel), they hold almost all the power. Let’s focus our attention away from blaming the average person, and onto the real root cause so that we can actually collectivise against that root cause rather than fight amongst each other.

              *: without the state straight up socialising their risk, for example the green tech grants and loans we have been and are giving out, all over the world. Something Elon Musk is very familiar with, given that Tesla might not have existed today without the generous $465 million government loan they got in 2009.

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            If the only fridges on the market contain CFCs then people are going to buy them because they need fridges. If the only CFC-free fridges are more expensive than CFC ones then only affluent people, at most, are going to buy them.

            It’s called a market failure: There are costs associated with a product that are not taken into account because the regulatory regime doesn’t make sure they are. In the case of CFCs we went even further than making fridge producers pay up for the externalities they cause (which would’ve been an astronomical sum) and right-out banned that stuff. The consumer, after all, is still saving money with CFC fridges (their food doesn’t spoil as easily), they’re not paying for the ozone hole, either.

            See the free market is a theoretical model, it indeed promises prefect results given that all actors are perfectly rational and act on perfect information, the maths makes sense. Perfect rationality and information don’t exist in the real world, though (and in fact ads and company secrets exist to degrade the information available to everyone) so we need regulations to fix market failures so that the real-world market comes closer to approximating the free market. Misunderstanding of this point brought to you by peddlers of institutionalised market failure equivocating “free market” and “unregulated market”.

            The EU tends to have a good grasp on it, the US, boy oh boy.

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        I think what you’re saying is either inaccurate or excessively vague. Many ultra rich people got money by inheriting it, through the stock market, and to a much lesser degree, through government spending programs.

        The way you framed the issue is a classic one, and it’s essentially blaming us, the consumers, for creating the problem that we are facing. First of all, that would simply be inaccurate because there are many causes, and second of all, it doesn’t really matter who you blame. The question is how we can fix the broken situation.

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          Not really. They said consumption AND labor. Stocks are capital, and their profits come from underpaying workers for the value they produce through labor. Inherited wealth is also acquired through and stored in capital.

          In addition, the government is an essential part of capitalism, as it protects owned property more economically than the private armies of feudalism. Government spending programs that give the rich money are paid for by political donations, but the actual profitability is hard to quantify.

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        Tesla batteries and modular car battery charging systems incoming, they’re not going to give up their market foothold so easily now that they’ve got their foot in the door.

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      I don’t expect people making bank to have many ethical concerns, tbh.

      “It’s just one small thing. Besides, there are many other things to complain about!” said every investor tied to everything people complain about, probably.

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      These people have money for blood, what makes you think their ethics are any different? I don’t care what sets the face eating leopards off so long as they get to eating faces.

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      Expecting investors to behave ethically instead of in their financial interest? I see you’re feeling bold today

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    I’m waiting for Apple and Google to pull the X client from their app stores.

    Then the fun really begins.

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      Not going to happen as all these companies work together. these companies are notorious to trick regulars into thinking they are helping the society.

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        1. SocialMediaPlatform™ does something horrible

        2. Make a huge deal about pulling ads from SocialMediaPlatform™ to get consumers on your side

        3. Quietly return ads to SocialMediaPlatform™ after PR team determines everyone has forgotten

        4. SocialMediaPlatform™ does something even worse

        5. GOTO 2

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          Lol so true. Its not just Twitter though, most of the companies do the same thing. However its on us to not make noise and boycott the shit outta these companies.

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        In the EU, App stores already have a legal responsibility to remove apps that promote hate speech. While both Google and Apple are sitting on the sidelines while the EU is going through the legal motions to tear Musk a new one, I wouldn’t be surprised if they kick X out just before someone forces them too, just to pretend they actually care.

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          Just in time for the EU to also force third party app stores through, and X attempting to make one sounds plausible even if they get nowhere with it.

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      Why don’t people just stop caring about whatever the fuck is going on at Twitter/X? I consider it in the same realm as truthsocial or OANN comment sections. Sure, musky had enough money to buy a platform, but that platform is elevated by it’s users. If people just stopped doing that, it would be irrelevant. Literally nothing important has happened on twitter, ever. We don’t need it. Just discard it and let it wither in the dark.

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    “We are absolutely appalled at this behavior!” [Buys more stock in Tesla] “I mean really, this has gone too far!” [Collects dividends] “He needs to resign, this is disgusting!” [Watches stock price climb] “this antisemitism must stop or else!” [Buys more stock]

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      If I, an absolutely moral and ethical person, don’t buy Tesla stock and gain profits from its climbing, somebody less moral and ethical will.

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    Musk going down in history as the person removed from leadership in the largest number of billion dollar companies ever.

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    I’m sure his response will be doubling down and turning away more investors. But if that goofy fucking truck being shit, delayed, and possibly a scam didn’t dissuade them…

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    Musk finally end that step too far. Dude forgot there’s a world out there beyond the weird right-wing bubble he’s created for himself on X.

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    Hurt him in the way that’s most painful to narcissists: remove his ability to generate narcissistic supply. Kill Xcrement.

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    these investors can say what they want, but the only language musk speaks is money. Sell the shares, dump the stock price.

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      I can’t wait till Tesla falls apart like the house of cards it is.

      Tons of people gave Tesla a $250,000 interest-free loan in the form of pre-ordering the roadster that was supposed to be released two years ago. People are going to remember that and think twice before pre-ordering the next big car release

      They sell vaporware, let’s be real. Cybertruck is going to be a huge disaster calling it now