Roman Abramovich is accused of paying people under the table. Man City have 115 charges.
Under Abramovich Chelsea have won - 5 League titles, 2 UCLs, 2 Europa Leagues, 5 FA Cups, 3 energy drink Cups, 2 supercups,
Under Sheikh Mansour Man City have won - 7 league titles, 1 UCL, 3 FA Cups 6 energy drink cups, 1 super cup.
Lets say hypothetically the EPL manage to prove it happened. And the points deduction is something that even Man City cannot recover from Eg. 90+ points deducted.
Would you be willing to accept a relegation to the championship for the above memories?
Eg. you saw your club win those things and have the memories of watching it?
I’ll take some success first. Then we can talk about how it was achieved.
Relegation isn’t the end of the world. There’s a whole lot of great football outside of the top flight.
well Man city would lose it 3 fans
and chelsea I don’t care about
As a man city fan I’d take it. The “cheating” in question is financial doping. Which is literally just a small club, levelling the playing field with the big clubs. So if we get relegated so be it. I have those memories and no one can take it from me, we were relegated once, we can come back up.
If charged I hope all their titles get stripped too. Not awarded to any other team, just stripped.
No. Much rather trophies (if) won under false pretences just be stripped entirely, and they be put at step 6.
1 relegation in the grand scheme of things wouldn’t effect either of these clubs for the long-term.
Sooo you are asking if they want a perceived happy childhood and find out it’s all a lie in their 20s and might not recover from that trauma for decades?
I am assuming if they are willing to relegate them they will strip them of titles as well
not that anything is going to happen, the FA have no spine and City are their darlings
The fact that anyone thinks the FA like City is a mystery to me. Both UEFA and the FA hate city and that’s why we boy anthems and turn our backs.
They can’t strip titles, I believe it’s not a penalty they can deal. Which makes it all the more galling that these things drag on 14 years.
Even if relegated you could argue it’s the price of doing business and well worth the cost. A team like City couldn’t have become what it is by following rules designed to stifle competition and let the same group of preferred teams win the league.
They can’t strip titles, I believe it’s not a penalty they can deal.
Yes they can.
Maybe Liverpool should have been penalised harder for espionage.
No, that’s completely different!
Nah. It’s fun to overperform as underdogs. Non-elite team fans would’ve just picked a bandwagon team to start with if they felt this way.
Remember the old days as a Liverpool fan, the feeling of beating a big team was unbelievable back then. Yes we were a “big team” but we were nowhere near as good as the other big teams in the league
Ahahahahahahaha
You are one off the most titles ever, have won the league 19 times, and had a 38 year stretch where you had the most titles of anyone. What the fuck are you talking about?
what???
lol. Chelsea and City are the two Clubs that won the most trophies in the last 20 years of english football. While they are writing history all the other clubs try to grasp on the memories of the old, forgotten glory days where they once won a trophy or two. Like 40 years ago or some bullshit like this. And they are proud of it that their last trophy was this long ago. They call it history. Yeah, im sure all your grandpas had an amazing time.
Chelsea made the premier league lively again. Man united and arsenal would have won every damn year. Lets be honest, united alot more than arsenal. Chelsea made it interesting again. Suddenly there was new competition. What actually was also better for the smaller teams at the end of the day but you aint ready for this topic. They rescued the premier league you should all fall on your knees and kiss their boots for that or you would have bayern 2.0 with united and 11 wins in a row. After what Chelsea did foreign billionairs looked at it and saw it was possible and thats how City came along. They added another name to the mix. Cry all you want. You small clubs wish you would have someone stucking some money down your clubs ass. [Insert any of those petty other 14 clubs name] fans wish they had an owner who invest like city. Now all the fragile little peoples want to dismiss all those accomplishments as if Chelsea didnt ended Arsenal and City didnt ended United ON THE PITCH and started a new era of football. They obliterated you and instead of welcoming new competition you cry cheats and god knows what. As if the other clubs didnt do the same shit. Yeah sure, United never paid some extra cash. Sure, Juve didnt do that. Barca is a holy lamb they would never do that. Ahm… anybody remember Blackburn Rovers? Lmao. All you guys are petty as fuck. You would take those accomplishments in a heart beat. The smaller clubs never saw european play for decades and even the best of the small clubs, Spurs, didnt win shit for 30 years.
But sure, lie to yourself and all the others lmfao
If they strip off their trophies… Who wins 2020/21UCL?
Seeing them relegated - if convicted, obviously - is something I’d give anything to see. Also, a couple of transfer window bans or they’ll just spend a quick year on the naughty step and everything will go back to normal.
Relegation to the championship would be near-meaningless. They’d be back the next season
Do what they done to juventus and rangers
Rangers were liquidated. Wouldn’t be the same.
I know but they got relegated to the bottom. You get what I’m saying. To the stocks with them
Are there any wage limits or anything in the Championship?
We can just loan out all of our good players
They need the Rangers treatment. I reckon Chelsea would slowly come back, Man City I’m not so sure. Small club with a decade of bought success, at least Chelsea had some history before the Russian money came in. Repossess the stadium and make City an example of what happens to cheaters in football. Punish Chelsea harshly as well.
Not just defending my team, but is it right to punish the current players and owners for the previous owners illegal moves? Definitely shouldn’t just let them off the hook and sure remove some of the trophies from that era. For Chelsea they already forced the owner to rush a sell (justifiably).
No. There is a certain pride in doing things properly. As a palace fan we have come close to the fa cup twice. That is the height of silverware based achievement.
Would I be more proud of a trophy, or would I be more proud of a metaphorical bastion of hope in the beaten down Borough of Croydon?
City and Chelsea quite literally paid for the trophies, there is no pride in that.
This is one of laziest arguments in modern football.
I can accept many other criticisms of Manchester City (or Chelsea), even if I may disagree with some of them, but this one is just nonsensical. There is no evidence that high spending alone guarantees success. In fact, all evidence is to the contrary, particularly in the Premier League.
Many clubs, including Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Blackburn, PSG, Real Madrid, RB Leipzig, Galatasaray, Zenit St. Petersburg, and many others have spent exorbitant amounts over the decades (United, Liverpool, Blackburn, and Real Madrid were “inflating the market” well before City were bought by ADUG) with mediocre or horrible results. Some have had limited success before crashing down to earth, others have tread water, and still others have essentially set money on fire with not even a warm glow to show for it. And in the Premier League, the difference in net spend in the top half of the table is negligible now.
Obviously the biggest spenders in world football tend to perform the best in the top competitions overall, but once you are in that top echelon, spending itself is not enough to win you silverware, especially regularly.
That takes spending the money wisely, acquiring high quality managers, players, coaches, medical staff, and even director level management. It takes competent, forward-thinking leadership and holistic operational structures.
You just have to look at the likes of United and PSG, who have spent as much or more than City over the past 10 years, to see how big spending can play out when you don’t get that mix right.
TL;DR
Obviously spending is required to compete at the top levels of football—all data supports that—but once you are there, data indicates that money itself is not enough for ultimate success.
You can’t just buy trophies though, just look at UTD and Chelsea. They’ve spent fortunes over the last few transfer windows and they’re shite. Just cause you spend loads of money it doesn’t mean you’re a good team.
I am a Leicester fan. I would definitely take it. Btw, can’t wait for the foxes to get promoted.