You’re all narrative merchants who want to attribute essentially random events to something more solid, as you think the sport you love is somehow devalued if you admit it wasn’t all destiny and that if the ball had bounced 10cm in the other direction one time, a team in blue would be lifting a trophy instead of a team in red.
So even when team A batters team B, hits the post eight times and then concedes a last minute deflected winner, they weren’t unlucky, but Team B had a better mentality, or Team A’s manager always bottles things in Europe so this was inevitable, or it was actually the genius of dropping player X into a false 9 rather than playing a traditional striker that made the difference.
The fact the best team doesn’t always win is what makes football interesting. Winning any big cup competition requires being both really good and really lucky. People should embrace that.
The only competitive league is PL (barely?)
Italian has been getting competitive (for sometime)
But the only real competition is UCL & nationals
Other than that it’s quite scripted.
Massive amounts of luck, that 99 UTD treble team won the game because the Bayern defender misskicked the clearance… it’s why it’s kind of stupid to judge a player by trophies
The funny thing is that this guy is right and in twenty years you all will be either: (a) pretending you agreed all along, or (b) bloviating to your grandkids about how things were better when you were young.
I’ve seen this exact conversation play out in baseball and basketball. Guess who was right? Yeah, not the people who think certain teams have a magic formula. Luck plays a role. Grow up and get over it.
Over the course of a season the ‘luck’ element is less and less a factor. After a whole season, your position on the table is down to skill, not luck.
Unless of course a team is plagued by injuries, but that is the same with any sport.
That’s why I don’t put to much stock in winning, or not winning, a cup. The league is different, over a season the best teams win
If luck can influence a single game then it can determine who finishes 1st and who finishes 2nd.
I always talk strategy with my sunday team and whatever tactica i want us to focus on i memtion… but after that i mention we also need some luck… whether were making out own luck or using it as a cop out when we arent lucky, thats a differnt question but yeah every athlete is hoping for a little bit of luck
If you have a deterministic outlook then luck doesn’t really exist, as all outcomes have already been predetermined - even me writing this post. Physics has already set everything in motion and determined how you will respond to this post too. You’re not actually in control y’know?
But people use luck, fate, and other attributes to help make sense of the rich tapestry that emerges from the chaos.
They’re only words man - y u have to be mad?
There’s definitely luck involved in short term, in 1 game or in a final. There’s absolutely no luck over the course of a full season
How I want to explain why Guardiola didn’t won the Champions Leagues it should have won with the Oil Money team, even when he should have done so because Oil Money.
Won’t read all that but it’s true there are so many luck in the game on the pitch and off the pitch. One of the unluckiest thing for my local club was it was in the african champions league final, the game got proposed for 3 weeks and during those three weeks we lost 3 prominent players. One of them was the starting left back. Our back up left back in the 7th minute makes a mistake. Gives the other team a corner and they opened the score from that.
Why are people so pressed here? Soccer is so chaotic that luck definitely occurs in every game 🍀
What I would say is that managerial success is more reliant on luck and ‘fit’ than we account for. I think there’s a few elite managers, a few bad managers and the rest are all very similar. They will have a great season or two (perhaps based on having a group of players they connect with or having one player who has a freak run of form) then they land another job and look completely useless.
Potter, Nuno, Moyes etc are all great examples.
This dude is lucky that god chose to add a 10 cm lump between his leg.
To some level yes, but not necessarily in the way you’re thinking. I don’t see it as a single game event. After all teams play many games in a season, and success is really a cumulative thing.
I think the “luckiest” thing for a team is injuries.
I remember SAF saying some time back, for the 98/99 year, when Man U won the treble, they were very lucky with injuries. I think only Henning Berg suffered any type of medium/long term injury, or something like that. Which meant they were able to have a full squad selection for almost the entire year.
I’ve seen some fans argue that if Arsenal didn’t suffer injuries toward the end of the season they would have won the PL. While I would say it is debatable that without injuries they definitely would have won, but, it most certainly would have increased the likelihood, especially considering they were top until the final few weeks.
This is one of the worst takes I’ve seen on this subreddit, and I’ve seen an infinite amount of posts and comments
Of course luck plays a part in every game, but as I always say, football is a game of very fine margins and the smaller your margin of error is the “”“”““luckier””“”“” you’ll be every game