Lol
Tactical is a better word for boring, but I get the sentiment.
That’s why they’re top of the table now right?
Great point, fantastically well made, pal 👍🏻
Exact same happened to us, we played more attacking and generally better football the year we won the UCL compared to a more controlled style when we won the league the following year.
I mean you for 98 points that CL season. You were 100% good enough to win the league in fairness
The fact they got 98pts and didn’t win the league is astonishing. I can confidently say that will never happen again. Definitely won’t be beaten!
Didn’t Barca get 100 in Madrid 102 season? It will never happen again for sure tho
They got 97, and honestly I feel like it will happen again it cuz it happened in 21-22 w Liverpool getting 92 and still losing by a point
let’s be real though we should’ve won the league the year we won the UCL, we lost it on 1 point
Let’s be real though. We should’ve won the league but after 38 games, another team had more points than us
Then you shouldn’t have won it m8
And we played even better (I.e more attacking) football the first year we got to the final under Klopp.
To be fair we had to because the defence was still a total shambles at that point. No VVD until January and no Alisson either.
I honestly think the title race will be so close between Liverpool, Arsenal and City that it’s a complete toss-up at this stage over what happens. I’m dying for Arsenal to win, but I can’t say it’s more than a 1/3 chance.
Spurs obviously can best them all
And then you have all the other top 10 teams are incredibly hard to win away at
Arsenal are nowhere near 1/3 chance. Iirc city are at 80 or 90% and Liverpool are a bit above arsenal.
Shut up, nerd!
Injuries and fitness are likely going to be the decider. In that case, I’d give an edge to City, unfortunately.
Experience as well. Liverpool still have prime players who’ve won everything (Salah, vvd, Alisson, Trent)
I don’t see it as even that close tbh… 60% chance city wins it, 20% each for Arsenal/Liverpool
I think AF Cup is the difference this season. Liverpool loses Salah, Arsenal loses Saka, but City loses no one.
City lost Rodri and dropped important points. I know they have more squad depth than both Liverpool and Arsenal but it’s Rodri the one player they cannot replace in case he gets injured again or suspended, unlike any other position on the field. It’s definitely unlikely that we’ll miss more games this season but anything can happen
Has to be trolling lmao.
But yea, Liverpool lose Salah and Endo, possibly Matip aswell? Not sure if he still plays for his national team or that he retired.
Arsenal will lose Partey, which we have done for the whole season anyway, Elneny (who is just getting fit) and Tomiyasu (who has been very important for us.
Not ideal, but could be worse
Could be worse yes. But Partey and Timber are huge loses.
I do think we would be much more legitimate contenders if Partey was fit
saka the famous english star?
LMAOOOO
To even be in the position for a third of a chance is solid progress from just two seasons ago.
I mean this ignores that you had the second most points in history
If just was unlucky it was city’s best league campaign
Had zero to do with playstyle
Honestly I think it was more the determination to win the league after losing by a point and the motivation from winning the UCL that launched us to the title the next season.
I actually think our major style change occurred after 17/18, we were way more free flowing and open that season and changed it all up the next season.
I mean you all had less points the next year. Just teams fluctuate and city didn’t get such an insane point total the next year
Same with mancity concede less win the league
It’s november tbf
Exactly. Long way to go.
tbf = to be foolish
Didn’t they win it in October last season playing attacking football?
At our best we were 8 points clear against a team with two games in hand and we hadn’t played the best premier league side in history a single time yet. Only people looking for Twitter/TikTok engagement were thinking we were going to get more than 1 point from city. Based on that, assuming both games in hand city would win, and they would take 3 extra points in head to heads we were already 1 point behind even at our biggest lead.
Arsenal fan revisionism.
You know how that Chelsea tiktoker just screams obnoxiously about every Chelsea result?
That’s the sort of social media accounts that were claiming Arsenal were winning it. Obnoxious bait to get interaction from opposing fans.
Anyone one else was full of hope. But knew WE HAD TO BEAT CITY AT LEAST ONCE.
City wrapped the title up earlier than we should have let them. That was our choke. but not winning the title was not a choke. CITY WERE ALWAYS FAVES.
This is just objectively false lol. After City lost to Tottenham away, Arsenal were 5 points clear with a game in hand (City had played 21 games and had 45 points while Arsenal had played 20 games and had 50 points). Taking your logic of assuming Arsenal would win the game in hand then at their best they were in fact 8 points clear. So this is indeed revisionism
Every time the ‘collapse’ is brought up the table shows arsenal 8 points clear with city having 2 games in hand, and we had not played city once yet.
Yes we should have taken the title race to the last week or two. But we were never truly in the box seat. Saliba getting injured and dropping more points just wrapped the season up a bit earlier.
How many points did you drop against bottom half teams in the second half of the season? Nothing to do with city, arsenal bottled it
To be fair the “boring football” opinion could have been used to describe most teams in the PL at some point in the last few decades, whether they are winning or fighting relegation.
My hot take is that there should be a bonus point system, 3 points for the win + 1 extra point for scoring 4 goals, or 0 points for a loss, but 1 point for losing by a single goal.
Teams would chase goals more rather than being happy to sit back and defend their 2-0 lead.
A big part of the beauty of football is the simplicity, you make the rules messy and convoluted and people will hate it.
Also I don’t think it’s fair to punish teams because of how their opponents set up against them. Last season everyone realised you can’t give us space centrally, and you have to double team our wingers. Now we have to play the lowest block in the world on average, and 90% of teams don’t even press us, they just lock down the middle and hope they can deal with the crosses.
In these games it can be impossible to score four (especially since teams like Everton, Burnley and Sheffield don’t even change their tactics after going down a goal). And I also don’t feel like they should be punished for playing to their strengths, if that’s the best chance they have to get something from the game then let them play like that.
Instead what we should focus on removing is the unsportsmanlike behaviour which often (but not always) comes with these types of performances. I’m talking about rotational fouling certain players the moment they get in a position to hurt them. Incessant time wasting, often even while a goal down because they want to keep it 1-0 until the 85th and then score a corner/free kick so you don’t have time regain the lead. The diving as soon as they get into the opposition half, big strikers throwing themselves to the ground in every aerial duel because a free kick they can put into the box is the best chance they’ll get at a goal.
These are the unsportsmanlike parts of traditional “parking the bus”, and that’s the part we should focus on getting rid of imo. Not sitting deep and defending well, that’s a skill too
It is a form of entertainment after all.
It is first and foremost, a form of competition. As soon as entertainment takes the stage over competition, it is a completely different thing entirely.
The reason sports exist is competition first. The reason we find sports entertaining is because of the competition.
The bonus point rule has worked fine in Rugby, but I wouldn’t necessarily say it leads to teams going all out to get the extra point - its exactly what it says; a nice bonus. Plus with the amount of matches these days I would be worried about pushing players even harder.
or maybe the rules themselves should change, to encourage attacking. Right now football is the only sport in the world that I can think of where players actually get REWARDED for committing fouls. Maybe focus on that complete joke of a situation first
I always feel like people who suggest shit like this just don’t enjoy football. The point of the game is not constant action and drama, if you want that then watch basketball or whatever.
If you look at the “zones of control” last season compared to this, Arsenal do have more defensive control and are closer to City’s level of control compared to last year
So expect more 1-0’s instead of 3-1’s. This brand of Football is “more likely” to win it but City are still City and haven’t had KDB either. They will walk the league by 10+ points
Don’t think they are walking this year with +10 points. They finished the league last with what 5 points between us and them.
All the teams are stronger now so games will be harder + they’ve already lost twice this season reckon as long as us and Liverpool put pressure it would be a exciting finish
Those two letter os apology from PGOML was the difference.
Fingers crossed
What how why?
Mate.
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We might be more likely but the refs and VAR will make sure that our chances are as low as possible.
woe is me
That’s how all sports and games work though?
We have watched Arteta for 5-6 seasons now… It is clear his decision making his average at best when it comes to coaching.
He is obviously favoured by the media, and thats the only reason they write nonsense articles like this and why he gets away with his ridiculous sideline antics.
Any average football fan or coach could tell they had to change how they played due to having more games in more competitions. This isnt genius, it is common sense. Having said that, despite their league position, they have not impressed at all… They are far away from winning the league, and it is probably not even possible under arteta considering their progress against their “rivals.”
Maritinelli has fallen off a cliff this season. Despite injuries, his output is far too low. Saka has played average but still puts up numbers. The No.9?? I dont even know what to say about the striker situation… Its startling that this wasn’t addressed by management. Odegaard has been nowhere near good enough. Saliba is fine, but I still have doubts about his ceiling and leadership. Havertz? I really rated Havertz at Leverkusen and thought he would be great for Chelsea but having seen how he adapted to the game in England, why the fuck would anyone, let alone, “a world class manager” spend 70m on him and then have no idea where to play him? Shambles so far.
And Partey rapes women. So fuck him and anyone who supports him.
Pass me what your smokin!
I see a lot of really bad comments, this being Reddit and all, but wow.
Like, literally everything you said is wrong and that’s no easy feat especially seeing how long your post was. I’m almost impressed.
Funny that its only arsenal kids in my replies. They are offended that I am correct. Notice not one of you nonces have an actual coherent reply. Just all denial.
You are an arsenal fan so are probably impressed by a decent sideways pass
Literally nothing you said is correct but please continue to piss your pants on here in front of everyone. It’s going super well for your dumb ass.
Yeah, I am. You have proven that by being unable to debate anything I have said.
You dont seem very bright at all. But that doesnt give you a pass
i stopped at arteta being favoured by the media point, because it is quite the opposite. you see articles like this one more rarely than the rain in london, but you chose to picture it as an argument to your non sense.
Agreed
For noobs more likely means no way in football journalism
The rules of the game are shit and need to be adjusted in order to encourage more enjoyable, attacking football.
We have watched Arteta for 5-6 seasons now… It is clear his decision making his average at best when it comes to coaching.
He is obviously favoured by the media, and thats the only reason they write nonsense articles like this and why he gets away with his ridiculous sideline antics.
Any average football fan or coach could tell they had to change how they played due to having more games in more competitions. This isnt genius, it is common sense. Having said that, despite their league position, they have not impressed at all… They are far away from winning the league, and it is probably not even possible under arteta considering their progress against their “rivals.”
Maritinelli has fallen off a cliff this season. Despite injuries, his output is far too low. Saka has played average but still puts up numbers. The No.9?? I dont even know what to say about the striker situation… Its startling that this wasn’t addressed by management. Odegaard has been nowhere near good enough. Saliba is fine, but I still have doubts about his ceiling and leadership. Havertz? I really rated Havertz at Leverkusen and thought he would be great for Chelsea but having seen how he adapted to the game in England, why the fuck would anyone, let alone, “a world class manager” spend 70m on him and then have no idea where to play him? Shambles so far.
And Partey rapes women. So fuck him and anyone who supports him.
seethe, cry, continue being miserable as liverpool will go another 50 years before winning the league again
You guys are so deluded, lol. It is scary…
Maybe another 100 years, and you can win a European Cup, eh?
He joined Arsenal in December 2019. Yeah thats 6 years. Also talking about number 9s, you lot say the same about Nunez that we used to say about Sanogo. ‘He causes chaos’.
This comment is an absolute joke of somebody who clearly knows absolutely nothing about football.
It is clear his decision making his average at best when it comes to coaching.
We have the most set piece goals this season, and last season as well as having the best defensive record under Arteta multiple seasons in a row at set pieces.
We have routinely been scoring large amounts of goals, particularly game changing goals in the final minutes of matches, these are very, very often from substitutions.
Our style of play is incredibly intricate and highly systematic. This only comes from coaching. Things like Zinchenko’s inverted midfield role is a clear coaching decision.
Almost every goal conceded has come from refereeing mistakes or individual errors. Not coaching issues at all.
Any average football fan or coach could tell they had to change how they played due to having more games in more competitions.
We’re not playing any more games this season than last season.
Having said that, despite their league position, they have not impressed at all…
We have the lowest xg against us by a country mile. We have been missing key players all season, and have had huge injury issues with Jesus, Partey, Martinelli, Saka, Nketiah and Odegaard all having injury issues by missing multiple games, and Timber missing the entire season. Not to mention non-key players like ESR having injury issues.
Maritinelli has fallen off a cliff this season. Despite injuries, his output is far too low
Utterly ridiculous. He’s having a great season. You clearly look only at an excel sheet to make your opinions.
Saka has played average but still puts up numbers
So has Salah then.
The No.9?? I dont even know what to say about the striker situatio
You mean having major injury issues all season?
Saliba is fine, but I still have doubts about his ceiling and leadership.
Hahahaha.
Saliba is arguably the best defender in the entire fucking league. He is 22.
Havertz? I really rated Havertz at Leverkusen and thought he would be great for Chelsea but having seen how he adapted to the game in England, why the fuck would anyone, let alone, “a world class manager” spend 70m on him and then have no idea where to play him? Shambles so far.
This is a massive diatribe to say you don’t like Havertz.
Lots of players take a while to settle in to major systematic changes. He’s not been anywhere near as bad as Nunes was for you last season.
And Partey rapes women. So fuck him and anyone who supports him.
Partey has rape allegations yes. He is a cunt. We have not commented on them.
You support Liverpool, your team and fans came out in widespread support of Suarez after he racially abused a player, after he bit a player, and also had Naby Keita on your team who had the same allegations that Partey is facing.
You have no idea what you are saying, lol.
Artetas decision making is average. 6 seaons of evidence. Saying the opposite doesnt detract from the actual facts.
Making excuses for being bad because of injuries? Or are you just telling me what I told you? An entire paragraph of bullshit, as usual.
No, your strikers arent good enough. It is that simple. Injured or not.
Saliba has done nothing but once again, a nonce reply because its obvious you cant create cohrent point.
Nice reubbtle once again, Havertz is shit. And you csnt justify the massive price tag or his positioning. Typical deluded arsenal fan
Nunez has been nowhere NEAR as bad as havertz, lol. Tell me you dont watch Liverpool without telling me. Nunez has been clear of Havertz the moment he arrived in england.
Suarez didnt rape a woman, mate. Actually fucking deluded.