Well, I wouldn’t expect anyone to consciously admit that they are trying to “attract brigades,” and I don’t want to get mired in psychoanalysis, since I’m trying not to be unfair. Since I’m talking to you directly, imo it seems like this isn’t really about you. This has all of the markings of a hexbear struggle session, and let’s just say that certain (likely bad-faith) characters have been more than happy becoming the subject of those sessions.
I have been on the receiving end of this kind of thing before, not to this level, but its hard not to take it personally. but also your meme really sucks. That being said, I’ve met some MLs who have been just as dogmatically and ahistorically committed to an anti-anarchist position, and plenty of anarchists who would agree with this meme. So this doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there is a history of struggles that communists and anarchists have found themselves willingly or unwillingly on different sides of. But reckoning with that long history of struggle is anathema to the point of this meme, as well as dogmatic opponents of anarchism on our side of the anarcho/commie split. All of these tendencies try to flatten history into memes and then tries to defend the history that the medium has just eradicated, and its in itself a disastrous way to confront and engage with history. But I come from a tradition that actually reads history and struggles with it, and chooses to hold the contradictions as inevitable rather than degenerating into vulgar campism. I wish I could get more comrades to engage with history in good faith instead of just picking out discrete decontextualized quotes and events to support whatever their beliefs are,but we all have liberal brainworms we are working through and I’m not going to pretend I have the magic solution that is going to bring about the idealized anarcho-commune.
I think there are ways to work together, I work with anarchists in my organizing and I would never betray them like this and frankly resent the implication that I would. I’m not sure if that’s the nerve you touched with everyone here, I don’t really care. I just wish this shitpost wasn’t getting all this attention, but not often have any of my wishes for the left come true
I do think the hexbears took the meme a bit too literally for a meme. It’s pretty low quality, wojaks and all and I was and am perfectly happy for people to deconstruct it and argue against it. I only didn’t have the time to debate or the mood to be interrogated. And thats infuriated the hexbears.
About the subject matter, While I believe you wouldn’t ever betray your comrades as it is now, this kind of thing never happens one day to the next. I don’t think Stalin in 1917 ever thought he’d send hired assassin’s after Trotsky. But the methods and praxis that MLs use invariably lead to this sort of decisions.
You all think I’m calling you all secret murderers, I’m not. I don’t think any of you has nothing but the best intentions for your anarchist comrades, but I’m saying that your praxis will inevitably lead to it. I’m not even being novel here. Bakunin was saying the same thing.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is upset. You’ve constantly accused everyone else in this thread of being emotional but seriously, we’re not, you expressed a bad opinion and we disagreed with it, that’s just how internet forums work. Either grow the fuck up and learn how to handle disagreements, or stop posting inflammatory content that others are going to voice their disagreement with. This “I’m not mad, you all are mad” shtick isn’t working, literally no one is buying it, and it’s just giving people a reason to make fun of you even harder because you don’t appear to have the emotional maturity of dealing with other people expressing opinions that differ from your own.
I’m not any more an ML than I am an anarchist. Im a communist, but that doesn’t make me an ML. I told you I come from a unique tradition, please respect that. I agree with you that there were certain decisions made during the Russian revolution that, when crystallized into dogma (which it has in some glaring cases), would lead to the sort of thing that you are talking about. But if I had to guess, you wouldn’t be a reliable source for historical context from that era anyway.
You don’t know the first thing about my praxis. The side that is doing the purges is not the side that I am on. Please stop trying to flatten everything and everyone to fit into your shit post. I promise you, if you stay on this path you will end up doing great psychic damage to yourself. I know its hard to deal with historic contradiction but that’s not an excuse. History is calling us to do better, to create the conditions that will bring about the commune, not turn everything into memes. Ask yourself what you are getting out of this. Try to step outside your ego, I’ll try to do the same
But you’re right, I probably should just ignore you. Cheers.
Even the MLs that I was describing are a tiny minority of comrades who just have to grow and learn. 99% of HBs are actual comrades who live and die by this shit.
Again, flattening everything down to fit your narrative. You’re only harming yourself with this
Well, I wouldn’t expect anyone to consciously admit that they are trying to “attract brigades,” and I don’t want to get mired in psychoanalysis, since I’m trying not to be unfair. Since I’m talking to you directly, imo it seems like this isn’t really about you. This has all of the markings of a hexbear struggle session, and let’s just say that certain (likely bad-faith) characters have been more than happy becoming the subject of those sessions.
I have been on the receiving end of this kind of thing before, not to this level, but its hard not to take it personally. but also your meme really sucks. That being said, I’ve met some MLs who have been just as dogmatically and ahistorically committed to an anti-anarchist position, and plenty of anarchists who would agree with this meme. So this doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there is a history of struggles that communists and anarchists have found themselves willingly or unwillingly on different sides of. But reckoning with that long history of struggle is anathema to the point of this meme, as well as dogmatic opponents of anarchism on our side of the anarcho/commie split. All of these tendencies try to flatten history into memes and then tries to defend the history that the medium has just eradicated, and its in itself a disastrous way to confront and engage with history. But I come from a tradition that actually reads history and struggles with it, and chooses to hold the contradictions as inevitable rather than degenerating into vulgar campism. I wish I could get more comrades to engage with history in good faith instead of just picking out discrete decontextualized quotes and events to support whatever their beliefs are,but we all have liberal brainworms we are working through and I’m not going to pretend I have the magic solution that is going to bring about the idealized anarcho-commune.
I think there are ways to work together, I work with anarchists in my organizing and I would never betray them like this and frankly resent the implication that I would. I’m not sure if that’s the nerve you touched with everyone here, I don’t really care. I just wish this shitpost wasn’t getting all this attention, but not often have any of my wishes for the left come true
I do think the hexbears took the meme a bit too literally for a meme. It’s pretty low quality, wojaks and all and I was and am perfectly happy for people to deconstruct it and argue against it. I only didn’t have the time to debate or the mood to be interrogated. And thats infuriated the hexbears.
About the subject matter, While I believe you wouldn’t ever betray your comrades as it is now, this kind of thing never happens one day to the next. I don’t think Stalin in 1917 ever thought he’d send hired assassin’s after Trotsky. But the methods and praxis that MLs use invariably lead to this sort of decisions.
You all think I’m calling you all secret murderers, I’m not. I don’t think any of you has nothing but the best intentions for your anarchist comrades, but I’m saying that your praxis will inevitably lead to it. I’m not even being novel here. Bakunin was saying the same thing.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is upset. You’ve constantly accused everyone else in this thread of being emotional but seriously, we’re not, you expressed a bad opinion and we disagreed with it, that’s just how internet forums work. Either grow the fuck up and learn how to handle disagreements, or stop posting inflammatory content that others are going to voice their disagreement with. This “I’m not mad, you all are mad” shtick isn’t working, literally no one is buying it, and it’s just giving people a reason to make fun of you even harder because you don’t appear to have the emotional maturity of dealing with other people expressing opinions that differ from your own.
Feel free to make fun of me, mate. I left the comments open for y’all because I love seeing you in action!
Whatever, you little baby. Thank god I can block this lib fucking instance and never have to deal with it again.
I’m not any more an ML than I am an anarchist. Im a communist, but that doesn’t make me an ML. I told you I come from a unique tradition, please respect that. I agree with you that there were certain decisions made during the Russian revolution that, when crystallized into dogma (which it has in some glaring cases), would lead to the sort of thing that you are talking about. But if I had to guess, you wouldn’t be a reliable source for historical context from that era anyway.
You don’t know the first thing about my praxis. The side that is doing the purges is not the side that I am on. Please stop trying to flatten everything and everyone to fit into your shit post. I promise you, if you stay on this path you will end up doing great psychic damage to yourself. I know its hard to deal with historic contradiction but that’s not an excuse. History is calling us to do better, to create the conditions that will bring about the commune, not turn everything into memes. Ask yourself what you are getting out of this. Try to step outside your ego, I’ll try to do the same
But you’re right, I probably should just ignore you. Cheers.
Sorry, I used a “you” where I meant to use “ML”.
Even the MLs that I was describing are a tiny minority of comrades who just have to grow and learn. 99% of HBs are actual comrades who live and die by this shit.
Again, flattening everything down to fit your narrative. You’re only harming yourself with this
Now hold on a second, mate. Did you even read what I wrote? Who did I flatten? If anything I agreed with you about your characters.
I’m just not going to be party to intellectual McCarthyism and badmouthing other commies