Endgame was a 3 hour fan service and wasn’t all that good and I’ll die on that hill.
No, you’re right. Infinity war is the better movie but endgame was the better event. Endgame is almost a perfect fanservice movie and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Infinity war is not that good either. Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Welcome to every single movie that’s ever been produced. Most things in movies could be prevented if the heroes just made reasonable decisions. But then you wouldn’t have a movie, so heroes have to be stupid at just the right moment to make the movie work.
Nahh, that’s just cheap Hollywood shit that’s written so poorly.
It’s hard to tell living in the US, because our media is dominated by Hollywood. You only get to see the one or two gems that get shat out randomly once a decade sitting amongst a giant field of dumbed down Disney fairy tales. That’s if the gems were even advertised all that well in the first place. So much ADD advertising that spoils the climax of the movie ‘and’ gives you the wrong idea of the plot, it’s impossible to tell what’s actually good without watching it.
Care to name a few examples?
Hmm, it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a movie in theaters, let alone a hidden gem or grossly misadvertised one. I try to avoid ads like the plague.
The only recentish thing that comes to mind is Barbarian, but I don’t think I even saw an ad for it. Not one I paid attention to. Just went randomly, it was not as expected, and we had fun not taking it too seriously anyways, which seems appropriate for that movie.
Others elsewhere in the convo are making some banger recommends, though.
Go watch Die Hard, The Day Of The Jackal, Rope, Seven Samurai, The Martian. It is possible to write a movie that isn’t moved forward by passing around the idiot ball. Characters can take reasonable actions, and still have stuff go wrong and have to take new reasonable actions to adjust.
Go watch Die Hard
If the hero just minded his own business and did nothing, no one dies and his wife is never in danger but millions of dollars worth of bonds are stolen. It’s a fair trade off, and might have even saved their marriage.
The Day Of The Jackal
Based on a book with no actual heroes. Just a cold-blooded assassination attempt. This isn’t the type of movie I’m referring to, though I should have said “almost every single movie…” or “hero movies”.
Rope
Uh…yeah…
In the play, two homosexual college students become fascinated by their philosophy professor’s ideas about the “innate superiority” of some people over others. Convinced they have found a victim who is inferior to them, they murder him, conceal his body in an unlocked trunk in their apartment, and then throw a dinner party with the trunk as the brazen centerpiece of the living room.
That’s just a whole lot of fucked up. No heroes there, except maybe someone not realizing they are friends with psychopaths that have a dead body in their living room.
Seven Samurai
The heroes lose 4 of their own. I’ll give you this one, this is the most realistic depiction of a hero movie.
The Martian
Poor mission planning. They can monitor, predict, and plan for dust storms on Mars today. But in the future, all that goes out the window when humans are involved? This entire scenario depends on someone not doing their job properly.
Not true, that is just lazy writing.
Agreed. Infinity War was so dumb, I never even bothered to see Endgame. In that sense, it had the same effect on me as The Last Jedi, but at least MCU had an overarching story planned which is more than can be said for the Disney SW trilogy.
Infinity War has its faults. It’s paced a little nonstop and the Wakanda bits are a bit weak. That being said, I saw it ten times in the cinema and it’s the perfect movie for me. I swear – the tail end of Thanos being on Titan to the end of the movie, you can feel how somber it was and I feel that’s because of the connection to the characters. We can always say “oh they’re coming back” but I like to watch the movie on its own and remember just how it felt watching the movie for the first time.
Yeah infinity war was better, I knew this the moment Thanos ripped that planet down with the power and space stones
Exactly. Endgame is great in terms of fanservice, but IW is just a far more solid film
Less of a hill and more of a well constructed 15th century fortress with about 100 loyal defenders at your service.
I’m still pissed that the McGuffin in that movie was basic-ass time travel, when they had the way cooler McGuffin of the Quantum Realm they could have explored.
To make matters even worse, it’s seeming like the real reason they did the time travel BS was so they could start the multiverse BS, so they had a justification to continue pumping out garbage content.
Completely agree! Though time travel wasn’t a MacGuffin, it was just a plot contrivance. A Macguffin is an interchangeable irrelavent object used to drive the motivation for the plot. The “tesseract” in Avengers, or the “Philosopher/Sorcerer’s Stone” in Harry Potter for example.
Sorry to be pedantic, I fully agree with your actual point, and just thought you might want to know.
Lol thank you, I genuinely appreciate the pedantry
It’s also just a bad time travel movie because the purpose of it was to be appeal to self-contained nostalgia. Like, “hey, remember all these OTHER movies you saw that built up to this one? Well, they’re going to revisit these in minor, superficial ways at the very end of our huge event.” Yeah, dog, I don’t care about those movies anymore and they weren’t very entertaining to begin with. Just get to the ball numbing action violence.
Agreed. My main takeaway from it was that my butt hurt after sitting in the theater for that long.
I fell asleep during it in the theater. It was so insanely boring.
You’ll have my bow.
Ma…ma… Marvel movies are mostly redundant bullshit without even a single relevant thought in them. Just like these mass-produced romcoms, same level. They will probably be the first movies written and produced by inferior AI soon and it won’t even make a big difference.
When you strip away the trappings and just look at the scripts, it’s incredible how generic all of the dialogue is.
It would be trivial to re-purpose any script to be for any other character because of how little they truly differ.
I’m entirely unconvinced that they haven’t already been algorithm -assisted
They will probably be the first movies written and produced by inferior AI soon and it won’t even make a big difference.
While watching Quantummania I already had a feeling that the entire script was written by ChatGPT.
at least then marvel will have a future, for whenever the inferior ai eventually gets replaced with superior ai
MCU are just superhero Hallmark movies
Endgame was stupid. The solution to Thanos was have Tony conveniently invent time traveling and then save the day. Infinity Wars was the peak.
Infinity Wars was stupid. Have some super heroes run around fighting bad guys trying to destroy the world for some stupid reason. There was no pick. It’s all stupid.
All stupid is correct.
I don’t know, I thought it was kind of fun that they mixed things up for a change and had the protagonist be the villain and the central plot be about his triumph over the antagonists who are the heroes; the movie ending with him relaxing and enjoying the sunset now that his great work was over and so he could retire and put down his burdens was a really nice touch.
You ignorant. Thanos was the hero. Ironman is just another billionaire denying the obvious responsiblity for the death of all life on earth Thanos was preventing.
Maybe so, but it was still a janky story. A gigantuan struggle, with epic consequences… resolved by deus ex machina.
It wasn’t “resolved.” Thanos won. Then some janky billionaire lying asshole undid that and then lied about fucking everything. Everyone went on like a march of idiots right over the suicidal cliff like lemmings.
That’s not a fictional story. Goodbye! Forever!
But that plot point was completely nonsense.
Yeah, a BILLIONAIRE undoes GOOD THINGS being done by the “VILLIAN.”
Of course it doesn’t make sense. It DOES make sense when you undo the bullshit it’s spun around. There you fucking go.
I just want things to end. It’s okay for things to be over. Star wars wasn’t served by it’s sequels, but here we are with a new WHATEVER every year. And marvel is worse, with a new show every month or two. Realistically, how long is anyone supposed to care?
It’s okay for things to be over.
False. Mediocre content still sells, and it is literally illegal for the company to not produce profit for the shareholders.
I’m just bemoaning how art suffers at the hands of capitalism.
Oh yeah, I agree!
Mediocre content still sells
Been living under a rock for all of 2023?
Maybe you’re just older because they weren’t good to begin with
Nobody says they were masterpieces. But they were entertaining - and excellent at it as far as cheap entertainment goes -, now they’re just sad to watch. I followed it closely until No Way Home, that was my closing point. From now on, I’ll only watch Spider-Man movies because I’m a huge fan of the character. Couldn’t care less about the multiverse they’re selling
Would also recommend GOTG3 if you enjoyed the first two films, I’d personally say it’s my favourite of the trilogy
That and No Way Home were going to be the last I was going to watch, and I’m still trying to work up the energy (?) to watch the latter. I will, eventually, I guess, but with the Spiderverse movies being A Thing, it feels pointless.
Yeah, I was worried because of how shit MCU movies have become, but James Gunn’s still got it.
the multiverse they’re selling
Oh they do be selling it that’s for sure. I haven’t checked in to Spider Man since Enter the Spiderverse, which I thought was really cool. Marvel I didn’t even like the style of the first movies, but I felt obligated to see them since I was technically part of what is now “nerd culture,” and I think a lot of us felt the same obligation to see them for nerd cred. Now they’ve just commodified it to shit and milking every drop they can out of it.
Marvel films are the popcorn flicks of the 2010s. None of them are masterpieces, but most are just a fun watch.
But now they’re often not even that. Besides a few outliers (No Way Home, GOTG3), they fail to even be entertaining popcorn flicks. I’d say the line is National Treasure. If it’s better than National Treasure, that’s a solid popcorn flick. If it’s worse, then it’s not worth watching.
Not a movie, but both seasons of Loki were also good.
Guardians had the things I hate about MCU but was entertaining enough to be enjoyable, because they leaned in to how wacky it was I think. Rest of MCU was just done to a crisp even then.
National Treasure is fucking awful though.
It’s certainly no The Mummy (Brendan and Rachel obviously, not Tom’s shitty effort that killed the whole “Dark Universe” franchise two movies in), which is about where I draw the line on popcorn guff.
You mean the 1999 cinematic masterpiece, The Mummy, with Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz?
There was something to look forward to as all the characters got their movie and then the big team up to fight the big bad guy.
It was never Oscar worthy material, just some nice entertainment.
Nah, the first Iron Man still holds up well.
Does it? Does everyone just ignore big ironman as a villain?
Yeah I’d say they were pretty bad and then got worse. They were agreeable movies for a diverse group at one point, even if they weren’t all Marvel-heads. The Joss Whedon style of quippy self-referencing dialogue and unlikable protagonists is their major weak point, it got old between Firefly getting cancelled and the first Marvel movie but hadn’t been overdone in pop culture yet apparently.
An MCU sex scene:
“That was so hot how you did that thing 3 scenes ago …I guess we’re alone now”
“Yeah… this is the part in a movie where sex happens…”
“I suppose if sex were going to happen, we would start like this…”
“Yes, and then I would do this”
(cheesy montage to an old classic)
“Woah… so that happened.”
They were never good you just had dogshit standards.
Yup, I would have worded it differently but I second this
I get that alot 😄
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
If anything the peak was infinity wars. But tbh just finished watching s02 of loki and it’s absolutely excellent. I have tons of critique but still it’s very good.
Wait you thought s02 of Loki is good? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Endgame was shit, infinity war was the actual peak
I don’t think it was total hot garbage like most. I dislike most of everything to do with the final battle, but the time travel shenanigans are fun as fuck
Meanwhile, Loki is the best MCU content to date.
But female Loki blabla /s
I mean, in spiderverse they have a pig version of peter parker, i would say anyone really complaining about female loki is really just being sexist
Series one maybe, two was a bit of a mess imo. I didn’t even understand what the stakes were until everything started turning into noodles.
Look, I love spaghettification porn as much as the next guy, but Loki was a mess. The story was gobbldygook. I could not see any good interpretation of all the stuff about purifying non-übermensch timelines. The Wilson / Hiddleston chemistry was great, really that’s the only reason to keep watching.
Everyone argues with me over it, but The Incredible Hulk (Edward norton) and Iron Man/Iron Man 2 were pretty much it for me.
I did enjoy No Way Home, and Thor Love and Thunder, but the rest were so watered down. Captain America & Bucky VS iron man was the death warrant. He can take a tank round, but not a punch from Cap?
Hulk pissing himself in Infinity War against Thanos with just the power stone? No. Hulk should have smashed him to a pulp.
This. Civil War’s final fight scene is hugely overrated. Iron man by that point had tangled with multiple fighter aircraft, dozens of missile armed drones, Thor and more. Goes down to two strong guys punching him.
Even before Endgame, there were some stinkers.
It’s one of the reasons why Guardians of the Galaxy was so popular, it changed the formula.
It was also just a straight up James Gunn movie with an ensemble cast of misfits. It’s like…his thing. That’s what’s so weird about so many Marvel movies. They gave them to competent directors and basically said “make one of your movies, but with our characters and setting.” Iron Man 2 was a Shane Black joint: took place at Christmas, lots of witty banter, there were some buddy cop elements. But the shell of it is an Iron Man movie.
You mean Iron Mam 3
I don’t know what you’re talking about. I only remember 2 Iron Man movies.
The two Hellboy movies did the Marval style film before Marvel and it was only second to Iron Man.
I’d say this is just nostalgia. The iron man movies where utter trash. I guess you judt were young and impressionable then.
Marvel peaked with the first Blade movie and it’s all been varying flavors of downhill since then. This is the truth.
Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill!
Watched Blade for the first time Saturday and that line gave me whiplash.
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But Infinity War was the better movie. Is this still up for discussion?
I mean, I still enjoy ‘em. They ain’t perfect, but nothing is.
They were never good.
I thought comic book movies were in decline until the Batman came out. The question is if Marvel is willing to part from their generic formula so their movies feel fresh.
Marvel needs some good direction from a management level, they need to build an Avengers team of writers who can really think of an overarching plot and have an end goal. They keep introducing new characters and then just don’t use them at all (where is Shang Chi?), their IP is spread out too much across unnecessary TV shows, they need to get their budget under control because somehow everything costs a billion, and their end product is worsened by the fact that their VFX teams are being overrun. This is Kevin Feige’s time to shine more than ever and he needs to show Disney that he can earn that pay.
Exactly. I was a big fan of the Batman, adapting the neo noir feel really helped it stand out.
Disney is kind of starting to figure this out on the star wars side with Andor and the Mandalorian. Creating unique stories with varying, structure, genre and tone. Every marvel movie just feels so generic and blends into every other, gets boring. Wanda vision had a glimmer of genius before devolving back to generic marvel meh stuff.
