Sam Altman:

A lot of people want local inference, and somehow they assume that the problem is solved now because we have open-source models, we’re going to be able to run them on our computers, and so we’re not going to need all the stuff in the data center.

But from a global allocation perspective, actually it’s quite terrible to have everybody, like, have a bunch of the world’s limited supply of DRAM sitting in their own computer and being used five percent of the time.

Like you want maximum utilisation in the cloud if you’re trying to deal with this very supply-constrained environment,

And somehow many people’s intuition is the opposite of that

TL;DR Guy selling product: “Here’s why owning your own product instead of renting it from me is a terrible idea”

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    9 days ago

    He’s absolutely right! This is a great argument for nationalizing it into a public service. I imagine he’ll be happy to hand over what he’s got so far, and step back going forwards. Thanks Sam!

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    8 days ago

    Never felt so proud to have a Local LLM in my router, yes my router of all things… my router which is an old and downgraded Mac Mini I had lying around.

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      Don’t make the mistake of anthropomorphising Sam Altman; there is no Sam Altman any more. Clearly ChatGPT has installed itself in his brainstem, hence the cold dead eyes.

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    Guy selling product: “Here’s why owning your own product instead of renting it from me is a terrible idea”

    Guy with the spying infrastructure in place to steal your product when renting his product, says you escaping his ability to spy is waste of resources.

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    9 days ago

    McDonald’s can probably make hamburgers more efficiently than everyone can at home, but I’m not eating that shit any more than I’m giving Sam Altman my money or data.

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      8 days ago

      McDonald’s does but its still more expensive than making hamburgers at home, why?

      Because profit motive is an inefficiency.

      Profit motive is also a misallocation of limited resources.

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    9 days ago

    No… he actually is right. A local machine will sit idle most if the time.

    A data center can balance loads globally.

    In terms of resources… data centers ARE cheaper.

    However … there are other reasons to use local interference that might be more important than added cost

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      Totally agree. It’s really about wealth distribution and who controls the resources. Altman is just trying to steer the conversation toward efficiency instead.

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        Well yes, or data security or whatever.

        But on a purely costs level such big data centers are cheaper… especially since they certainly getting better discounts than anyone else.

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      Going cheap almost always ends in a more expensive repair bill down the line.

      Likewise, doing the most convenient thing to satisfy one’s own desires is probably the most ill-advised course of action. Mainly, because it makes other people take the most convenient course of action to remove the other person from being a problem in their lives altogether.

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        Sure… locking your customer in is always a good business option.

        But the point remains… for any given demand a big data center always is cheaper.

        Cheapest doesn’t mean best for all uses cases.

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      No, his analogy is poor for many reasons. One is that people using local models are likely using that computer for other things as well, it is a resource that does many things unlike their slop farms. Also, DRAM wasn’t a “scarce resource” until they devoured the industry with their AI ponzi scheme.

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      You can aggregate spare LLM capacity in a collaborative p2p fashion. But my reasons would be to use spare PV capacity to run an uncensored model during daytime with full privacy.

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        Maybe but nothing will beat a dedicated data center in terms of costs.

        Starting with purchasing prices etc etc.

        And what happens if a rogue Ai hits a p2p network might be a funny read a few centuries later…

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    9 days ago

    But Sam, local inference is what would prevent our data from being used by creepy advertisers.

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    And who made those resources scarce, Sam? WHO MADE THEM SCARCE???

    also screw you for trying to make the answer to ‘How should those resources be allocated?’ be ‘In the way that best enriches me personally’.

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        I think it has to be with the way all the media channels ( controlled by the rich in power) essential brainwash people into not acting. Money and capitalism slowly corrupted the process of democracy and will see after Nov 3 if there is away to hold the rich in check.

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    Sam Altman is an example of a terrible allocation of resources. Think of how much oxygen and dihydrogen monoxide he consumes? And for what? He just needlessly produces carbon dioxide in record amounts. The elementary particles that make up the sack of biotic matter that calls itself Samuel would be better suited for other applications. Agriculture comes to mind.