Quote: “We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”
I have never seen anyone supporting hamas, at most justifying the legitimacy of some of its objectives and the right to fight for them, but not its actions; always being critical of hamas and its war crimes.
In fact, high tolerance or even open support for war crimes is something I have only seen on the zionist side.
You’ve got people doing it in this very thread. Blaming Israel for Hamas murdering people isn’t exactly being critical of their actions.
https://lemmy.world/comment/5040910
Prime example from above. And it’s net positive on votes.
Edit: Why can’t we simply agree that supporting the IDF is fucked up, supporting Hamas is fucked up, and they’re all awful people?
There is nothing legitimate about Hamas. It is a terror organization.
dismantling settlements, cleansing the land of the IDF, and regaining their land are all legitimate objectives and should be supported.
Funni sounds like gaming.
That’s not a great argument. Just because your objectives are legitimate doesn’t mean your actions are legitimate.
He’s saying that Hamas isn’t legitimate because they committed atrocities. I will never accept this until people acknowledge that the occupation government isn’t legitimate, and doesn’t deserve a dime.
Let me be clear here: if you have to choose the lesser of two evils, then the occupation government will not be your choice, no matter what’s on the other side.
I feel like your argument here gets slippery very quickly. You’re basically advocating for ‘win at all costs’ if you’re on a specific side and that’s real hard to support.
Advocating for a “win at all costs” strategy is something you should accuse people supporting the murder of dozens of people because there’s a Hamas leader amongst them (still disputed) of.
I don’t want civilians to be harmed and I don’t support terrorizing people until they retaliate. those two qualities make me a better person compared to any occupation government supporter (person on the other side). lets say that I support the murder of civilians until Hamas achieves their objectives, that would only bring me down to their level, if not a little higher.
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You’re redirecting now and trying to walk it back, but those are your words.
Am I? Lets put the quoted words back in their original context:
Let me break that down for you:
BTW everyone can see what your giving boosts to on Kbin. It’s very weird that there are two people on the same platform (kbin), with the same position on this conflict, who have the same weird habit.
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I don’t understand this way of thinking. Why does what people believe about the legitimacy of the Israeli government have any effect on your acceptance of atrocities?
It doesn’t, atrocities are atrocities, but if people think that Hamas isn’t legitimate for their atrocities, then the occupation government is even less legitimate for theirs.
I saw comments explicitly supporting Hamas and their recent actions on Lemmygrad a few weeks ago. Someone was even posting about how they hoped hostages get tortured by Hamas. I haven’t gone back but I assume you can still find those people there. They aren’t really any different than the Zionist extremists who support IDF war crimes, they just use different language to justify the horror.
I completely believe you, but pointing at Lemmygrad for anything like that is kind of a low bar. If there’s any possibility that it could go against Western Interests, the community is automatically for it. They don’t really care what’s actually going on, they just work backwards from being ‘Anti-Western’ and figure out how to support it later.