Plenty of other, more concrete evidence that (the abrahamic) god doesn’t exist. But hey, if that’s what convinces you then kudos.
“Only the good die young” -William Martin Joel
Holy fuck that question is as deep as a puddle
You’re asking an existential question: why do bad things happen to good people? I would wager that this has been a subject of philosophical debate for as long as humans have existed.
Ultimately, I think it’s the wrong question.
What you’re experiencing is a form of confirmation bias. You expect bad people to live and good people to die, and that expectation is shaped by societal conditioning and the beliefs you’ve been exposed to throughout your life.
In reality, cancer, for example, affects a relatively small percentage of the world’s population at any given time, although that percentage still represents a tremendous number of people.
You’re seeing it affect people in roughly the proportions you’d expect. The problem is that the people you pay attention to tend to be the ones you believe shouldn’t be affected by it, while those you believe should be affected often aren’t.
We tend to perceive these events as unjust because we expect the world to operate according to some inherent sense of fairness. Unfortunately, nature doesn’t make that distinction between good and bad people.
Another reason on the list that I do not believe in God such as God is portrayed in the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc. If there is a God, I don’t think it cares about life on Earth. It may have created the beginning of everything somehow but I don’t think it micromanages what happens on Earth or even cares one way or the other.
JD Vance decided to send him an email or smt
Maybe he developed cancer after briefly meeting JD?
I got a health scare recently and I’m a asshole apparently. So I’m confused. Why do good people have to suffer?
Quite simple actually. It just wants to meet cooler people sooner.
that’s the thing that pushed you to disbelief?
for me it was all the parasites - like botflies and screw worms.
oh and conservatives, and their sacred beliefs and enormous and constant hypocrisy. and their mistresses’ abortions.
well, I guess, ok.
Im of the opinion that God, as it were, might exist. We’re just not able to understand the longview, so to us, at the moment, it seems incomprehensible.
This is the bad timeline, evil is rewarded
Also known as Kalyug.
Other than god not existing? God is malignant
With the way Christians and similar preach? Yea, God’s a psychopath and so are they.
Though there are several theologically sound explanations, especially if you truly believe “God” is beyond or bigger than our universe.
Basic believer: “God works in mysterious ways”. Sure, that Harlequin baby only ever had a miserable existence, but that’s because their soul didn’t need to experience a full life! Sure, your school teacher only ever did good works and then got ran over by a truck, but God thought it was her time!
More logical theology: God is bigger than the universe. He sees the whole thing. If something bad happens, then it is merely a wrinkle, or if you believe in divine guidance, it’s a tragectory change to something better. Either way, God’s not helping you, because what you want makes for a worse over-all universe. Or, if you want to be more literal about it, maybe God doesn’t necessarily have the power to truly magic something. Maybe he cannot instantly change an exact, single detail about this universe, yet created it, could destroy it, and has enough control to drastically change things? Like a video game dev seeing how their Sims playthrough plays out.
Deeper theology: We’re here to be tested/checked/validated/etc. God said he gave us the answers, not that he’ll do the test for us. Besides, if we were instructed to take care of something (like Earth, or your personal life), why in the ever loving FUCK would you expect someone else to do the job you were told to do? Nobody is going to be happy to have to step in to fix something you fucked up, especially when they were the ones who put you on the job to take care of it in the first place.
Deeper science fiction: How would such a great being even begin to care about the individualities of creatures even lesser than ants to him as ants are to us? It’s not hard to imagine someone caring deeply about their creation, but not really caring about exactly how the tiny details come out for every single detail. Like a single piece of glitter falling off your child’s art piece, an individual life is meaningless so long as the whole picture remains.
Mix and match those views to your heart’s content, and I’ve heard all of them and more growing up in a church. Bunch of intellectually weak clowns unwilling to admit religion is just Baby’s First Philosophy…
Please keep going, that was great!
Not sure of too many other opinions I’ve directly heard, but what kind of belief do you want to hear more of? (I know I said I heard more dismissive/excusive beliefs, but I don’t remember them in any representative fashion; it was thankfully years and years ago!)
I’m just struggling with my own slow process of discarding faith and found the arguments useful… I don’t have a particular direction or anything
Ahh I see. Yea, it’s a whole whirlpool of ad-hoc and circular logic… It always boils down to, “It’s correct because I was told it’s correct!”.
I can understand community and wanting to be a good person, but there is SO much garbage piled on top…
Maybe one where god is plainly evil, and other similar to the last one: it was only a creator that put things in motion and it’s long gone now.
The old Cainites, Cathars, Marcionites, and other similar Gnostic sects quite directly believed God was the bad guy. (or at least the physical world and its creator; it gets weird in some of them…)
Lots of variations on why and who and bla…
or he/she doesn’t give a fuck
Forking shirtballs, we’re in the bad place!
We’re in the only place, unfortunately.
The theological explanation from Catholic dogma would be along the lines of God doesn’t really interfere with the day-to-day goings on of the world.
Is prayer actively discouraged in Catholicism?
No, you can and should beg god for devine intervention that he probably doesnt do and thank for his gracefullness which he hasnt shown. Or at least whoreship him, because he is so great and benevolent while he is hearing the prayers and letting good people die nevertheless. Or maybe there werent enough prayers yet, for THE POPE.
It all makes a lot of sense you see.
“God works in mysterious ways” is the only “explanation” religious clowns have. It’s 100% post-hoc justification. If they’re bad, they deserve it. If they’re good, then they must secretly be bad and deserve it. If they’re really good and don’t deserve it, then, “God works in mysterious ways”. Always. Every time.
There is no questioning faith, only declaring heresy to such clowns. If things didn’t work out for you, it’s not a systemic problem here, it’s because you deserved it!
