Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.

  • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.

    Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.

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      Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology

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        Apple just wants to get rid of low income people having an iphone.

        Iphones whole thing has always been to be a luxury brand, that only rich people can afford.

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      Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.

      To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.

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        Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.

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      Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,

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          i was working in mobile at the time, and it was my job to keep up with the leading tech. i was using a Palm Treo when the iPhone was released, which was arguably the most advanced PDA phone at the time with blackberry being the primary competitor.

          i vividly remember watching the announcement from the iphone and being shaken with how the device worked. the fact that you interact with it without a stylus, the highest resolution screen available on a PDA phone, combining the functionality of an ipod, phone, and rich HTML internet browsing device, and the fucking triple layered capacitive multi-touch touch screen were absolutely revolutionary. to say anything else is revisionist history. no one else had anything remotely like it.

          and anyone who knew anything about mobiles at the time knew it was revolutionary and that the world was changing that day.

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      Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.

      Edit: I’ve been schooled.

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      Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used

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        You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’d likely be dead in the water.

        Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.

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          Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up

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            There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.

            Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.

            Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.

            On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.

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      Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life.

      That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.

      Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.

      Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.

      Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.

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        ‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.

        Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths

      • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Remember when they stole MacOS from…

        XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?

        Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…

        Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…

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        Coincidentally, USB C. Just not on their mobile devices.

        They were some of the first to ship a laptop with USB C, and they went balls out.

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          No coincidence, Apple helped design USB-C. They have been slowly transitioning for years but everyone thinks the EU “made” them switch.

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            USBC has been around for years now, so why not make the switch before they’re legally required to, if not to keep users on proprietary cables for just a little longer?

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              USC-C spec was finalized about two years after they made the switch to Lightning. The first smartphone with USB-C came 6 months after that finalization. Apple wanted to get rid the 30 pin and felt the uncertainty around USB-C timeline was too high, so they rolled their own.

              If they switched to USB-C for phones just 2-3 years after Lightning it would’ve been a terrible experience for iPhone users.

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                I remember the outrage around moving to lightning. Doing it again so soon after for a connector that’s (slightly) more fragile and provided no real benefit would have seriously hurt sales.

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                  i just had a memory show up in my facebook timeline with a comparison of the number of ports Apple had used on the iPhone and how many Samsung had used. samsung had used something like a dozen in the same timeframe of about 5 years but everyone was pissed that the 30 pin was going away. and on top of that, lightning was introduced as ‘a port for a decade’ which, incidentally, it’s been in use for… 10 years.

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        Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.

        In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?

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        Apparently the Pro version has USB 3.0. Still mediocre compared to new Android phones (not just the flagships) that are pushing Thunderbolt.

        Hooking up your android phone to an ultrawide with built-in dock is still funny, but not very useful.

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        There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.

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          “Still limited to the same speed of the model using the lightning connector” did not have the same ring to it.

          Did not know they finally moved to a usb3 chipset on the pro when I commented, good to hear.