Yeaaaaahhhh… that tracks, democrats willing to burn everything down and ruin it for everyone if they don’t get their way…
Ruin what now?
Democrats are centrist liberals. They are capitalists. They are cop-loving authoritarians. They will never fulfill your leftist liberatory desires. Stop deferring your political will to wishes they will never manifest. You have Stockholm Syndrome. Go do something yourself that matters to you in your own community.
Well said, I’m still going to post my opinions but there’s really nothing you’ve said that I can refute.
Pandora’s box is opened, and once that happens, it’s almost impossible to close it. I’m going to be honest, the next election cycle, I’ll consider voting for the blue equivalent of Trump. Now that we know presidents can act like kings, it’s time progressives capitalized on that. Why not lock up rightwingers and hatemongers, slap tariffs on oil, and deport Zionists?
Have you met democrats?
This is how it looks like:
Biden: “I need y’all to execute the traitor Donald J. Trump”
Military: “I’m sorry Mr. President, I’m afraid we cannot do that.”
Trump: “I need y’all to round up these democrat [n-word] thugs”
Military: “Can we just shoot them?”
Dems would have to oppose fascism first. Good luck with that.
Presidential immunity gives a democratic incumbent the right to slap a republican senator daily
They would need to grow spines first.
That’s literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.
Neoliberals don’t change the system, they ARE the system. You’re not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d’être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.
Nope.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Pubs don’t give a shit
They’ve got dozens of excuses for failure, that’s just one of them.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Tell that to Nancy’s stock portfolio… Or is that “legal”?
Either way they’re 2 rich 2 resist.
That first part is kinda what I’m saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they’re supposed to represent want.
Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.
It’s like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.
Well this is the bitch: you can’t play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.
Don’t play chess with pigeons
That’s a false dichotomy.
You’re assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today’s circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.
I’m not advocating for Dems to do either. I’m advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it’s necessary and justified.
Following rules for their own sake even when it’s clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.
Not assuming a falsity at all - the rules in question are due process
So THAT’S where you want the goal posts now?
Sure, due process is an inalienable human right that should never be infringed upon.
That obviously wasn’t what I was talking about, though.
Sorry, should have been clearer: due LEGISLATIVE process
So how it usually plays out is that destroying is usually much easier than building.
So if the oligarchs destroy the rules, you will not win by trying to rebuild them. You will only get back to some sense of normal by shooting back and making them understand why the rules were there. And I don’t mean threats.
The moment the office of the president was given complete immunity from everything, Biden should have had Musk shot. More realistically, Dems should have fought judicial appointments the same way as Reps did, and actually appointed activist judges instead of trying and failing to appoing Merrick fucking Garland.
The eleventh hour of the “system” was prosecuting Trump. That system does not exist anymore, there is nothing to defend at this point.
old guard dems are just GOP in disguise, because they often work together behind the scenes making deals, they both of the same megadonors, additionally they hope to get by being “not-republican” candidates.
lmao what
you still believe in these fucks?
System’s broken. We don’t need a different party in charge of the system we need a new system.
This is why Sanders has told new politicians to run as independents, neither of the current parties can be trusted
Agreed. The US is over. These people are bouncing the entire stock market up and down using tariffs and doing insider trading on it … there is no justice whatsoever.
I mean, considering my post from the last 4 months you guys are making me so proud to be on lemmy right now.
There are good democrats out there - many of us have met them in person. Just that the leadership, and threats from AIPAC money, twist them into not doing everything they can.
I wouldn’t be so pessimistic as to say EVERY person in the US looking into politics is corrupt. Just make sure to actually name people when lambasting them, not paint a wide swath.
People who are swayed by AIPAC money and democratic leadership are not actually “good people”.
I’d recommend you take a look at a Zeteo interview of two Congress members who stood against them. It can be more complex than straight bribery.
For one thing, taking money from AIPAC isn’t just about greed; it’s also about using that money to campaign and help people be aware of what issues they’re fighting for. (Yes, I’m aware for some, it’s all about power and greed)
For another, AIPAC money can become an enemy: These Congress members got an army of mailings demonizing them as soon as they voted against an issue Israel wanted in their corner. They were voted out of office, and never got to pass the causes they wanted for their communities.
Should they take AIPAC money? Absolutely not. Do I see why they’d take it? Absolutely.
There are good democrats out there
That may be true but isn’t relevant really. A few decent people in a party will not fundamentally change our system.
Approval voting and more parties could theoretically improve things quite a bit. But switching to approval voting is probably not simple because why should the biggest parties support something that hurts them.
if Democrats ever win I fully exepct this:
“Now is a time of healing. To better unify our Great Nation™®© we are going to let Republicans fill every committee and pick every judge, we are even looking into how we might let them have the presidency. If we can’t, do not worry, we will behave as if we were Republicans and will do as they wish.”
Yep, that’s what Obama did with the Bush people and the people that caused the GFC. And now all these people are back for round 2 with nothing learned (well, they learned there are no consequences no matter what they do).
I think Bernie’s Fight the Oligarchy Tour is changing this, but more people needs to push this.
So is David Hogg, the new Vice Chair of the DNC. He’s a Gen-Z school shooting survivor who’s committed to primary out the centrists and turn them into a real opposition party.
Once Newsom is in CECOT he will have plenty of time to think about what he could have done.
Yea, the “democrats” will want to “reach across the table” and work with these fucking traitors. Why? Because most of them are likely in on it.
They take the same money from the same corporations. They don’t care if they win or lose an election.
Fucking hate how true this is.
There isn’t going to be another government or another free election until the current regime is put to the sword.
There’s no need to cancel elections when fascists will easily win again.
Agree. But who will do that?
Can’t say.
If it isn’t entirely obvious that’s the next play, I agree.
Start by sending a handful of Republican Senators and Congressfolk to El Salvador.
There are plenty of dems who should go too…
But unfortunately as an anti-fascist I don’t support sending anybody to gulag.
I think you mean ms13
But they must admit after that it was an administrational mistake
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Sorry, I get the spirit of the meme and it’s nice to daydream but fuck no. I don’t trust the Democrats to do anything in the interest of the people.
It’s not whether you trust one absolutely or not.
It’s always, as ever, relative. You pick between the options for the best bad option or you abdicate your vote and then must suffer (potentially) the worst of both worlds.
What I mean is I don’t want the Democrats to go hog wild with the law the same way the Republicans are because they are also owned by the Capitalists. Since I don’t have another choice of course I’m very likely to Vote Blue No Matter Who™️ to my great displeasure, unless a more progressive party takes the lead by a landslide and actually has a good chance of winning
Ideally they’d take over the Dem party since it would solve multiple problems simultaneously: a relevant progressive party + existing infrastructure + no neoliberal faux-progressive party that would split their vote
Is this how liberals fantasize about revolutionary action while still staying as milk toast as possible?
Edit: I appreciate Lemmy for the simple fact that I can use “liberal” in any sub and not be considered a conservative by default when I’m criticizing that perspective.
Man, if I’m milquetoast I don’t know how anyone on this site could get away with being more controversial than I already am.
Well you’re fantasising about elections and not lining up republican politicians against the wall or gunning them down as they head to their car after work.
Yeah, you’re right, your fantasy that you’re never going to do in real life is so much better than that other fantasy that isn’t happening.
I’m not the one in America.
Let them enjoy voting Trump out of office next “election” if they don’t want to stand up.
And how many alt right neo nazis have you slain in the street in your own country? I’ve a feeling I would have heard of you if you had.
Why would I kill them when there’s no threat of them taking over?
I’ve attended rallies in the past and bashed the fash.
