I didn’t know my caste until I was 16 because in cities that shit doesn’t exist
I’m kayastha. The community which never followed caste system in the 1900s… but now I have face affirmative actions because my ancestors were rich in general and had an history of being jamindars (land owners)
Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege? Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?
Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?
Ohh yes they did
I’m from the NE part of india. There are more ST people in here, most of my ST friends are richer than me. They usually have Jordans and 2-3 iPhones (iPhones are expensive in india) but they enjoy the perks of freebies and affirmative actions while earning more than the average indian
Bro I would say one thing for you. Everything you see about india in the news channels isn’t real. Neither every people look and speak the same nor everyone gets into arranged marriages
Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege?
People may say I’m playing the victim card but I didn’t get a single privilege for that
I’m from the NE part of india. There are more ST people in here, most of my ST friends are richer than me. They usually have Jordans and 2-3 iPhones (iPhones are expensive in india) but they enjoy the perks of freebies and affirmative actions while earning more than the average indian
It’s kinda amazing how you sound like my boomer American grandparents complaining about affirmative action because my students had AirPods.
Reactionary lazy hatred is truly a universal language.
Nah, I know it’s not all rural “marrying little girls to frogs for rain” stuff. But I also know it is still an issue in the cities, and like white folks in America, you get extremely upset and insecure at the idea that other people maybe deserve a fair share of the pie.
Well I won’t say I hate those people in general but I do hate the ones who aren’t thankful for it. So yeah, hatred is there and I’m a human
Nah, I know it’s not all rural “marrying little girls to frogs for rain” stuff
That was the storyline for freakin cartoon my sis used to watch. I didn’t know if someone recreated it in reality. Well I can’t say I’m shocked
But I also know it is still an issue in the cities, and like white folks in America, you get extremely upset and insecure at the idea that other people maybe deserve a fair share of the pie.
Yeah I mean white people in America and general category people in India are shown as the privileged group in their respective countries so usually the govt don’t give them much in return. And both the groups starts hating it.
Now the difference which comes here is the White Americans just stay in their country because America is still far ahead in case of development and living standards. But in India, those people usually migrate to some other countries because the parts of India where you can live like a King (the new cities with hundreds of apartments and luxury malls) doesn’t get them the “worth it” feeling which they get by staying in Airbnbs in some EU country so eventually they get out of the whole subcontinent
I have bad news for you brown guy, you are a middle ground between conservatives and fascists. Almost all of your takes are aggressive and repressive. People don’t work like that, we are all different and we should account for all diversity. You think “uneducated low earning people” should not get free shit but because they can be bribed. So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them? Why are they desperate? You remove the freebies but you keep the poverty.
You can step into fascism when you realise that “removing DEI” it’s a lot of bureaucracy and wasted time. Bullets are much cheaper.
I know it’s a mixed side. But I’m definitely not a fascist nor do I support fascism
So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them?
I don’t know if you don’t understand the situation but in india shit is complex. There have been interviews of people living in slums, they say they are making more children to get a little more money from the govt (from the scheme which was made for educational purposes of lower income households), some of them are regularly caught to be begging instead of doing some work (specially the ones who are fully fit and fine).
You know why it’s like that? Because most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.
The govt doesn’t even care about the poor and handicapped people tbh, because they get less seats from the affirmative actions. The so called oppressed groups “STs/SCs” get it.
Recently I gave an exam, the cutoff for general category is 94%ile but for ST it is 49%ile. Just look at the difference
That’s why affirmative actions should be income based only for the ones who are in the BPL (below poverty line) list
I have some very superficial knowledge of Indian system casts etc… but regardless, people are people, fundamentally they act the same.
most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.
Let’s start from here: they don’t want anything else. Are you sure? Would you believe in a system where you are confined in your cast (or for any other countries, general poverty), where you need to slave just to survive? If you live in a slum, yes your first issue is bread, second issue is bread tomorrow. You are not drinking grass smoothies dreaming a lambo. Why? Because you know, you see it everyday, that no matter what you do the probability are against you.
So why anyone living in a slum would even try to game the system? “Nobody expects me to make it… why not make as many kids as possible and get the money, at least my first son will survive. “
We need to stop thinking about people in terms of good vs. evil. We are surviving machines, we do what profit us and make us last long, good or bad doesn’t matter. Governments should account for that and give everyone the same OPPORTUNITIES and bridge differences with empathy and understanding.
Talk to homeless people, listen to their stories. You will realise it’s an unlucky, unsupported, discarded version of you.
That’s what I used to think before. But now when I’m in the age where I have to compete, I see everyone getting what I deserve (seats in universities) just because I’m a i) general category (the ones without any affirmative actions), ii) male, iii) middle/upper middle class.
You know who bad does that feel? It’s not a first world country where I can choose a mid profession and expect to go for vacations abroad… NO!!. In these countries there is blood bath in competitions, in which I would say I was just good but unlucky too because of those three things
For equality to exist in India, the govt has to cut the freebies and make the education system better and teach civic sense to the country people.
In this country, I have to pay 30% tax and I don’t get shit. That’s the worst part, on top of that you’ll be generalized as a bad guy everywhere because of the media. The govt isn’t making laws gender neutral due to which the younger generation are scared to marry.
There are thousands of problems in this country. Giving out freebies and affirmative actions won’t help at all
How precious. “They are not the victim here, I am!”. You are very lucky, you don’t have to worry about food or shelter, you have a middle/upper class family, you can choose a profession, you can go abroad, you don’t have to worry about your personal safety as a man.
Yet, with all these advantages in life you choose to go online and complain about people who don’t have these, crying lack of civic sense.
Have you ever thought that maybe the competition is right and you are not good enough? Maybe you don’t deserve a mid job? Sucks to be a loser, maybe if you are kinder to the less fortunate than you, you might get some sympathy.
@dan00@lemm.ee What the fuck. One can disagree with @brown_guy@lemm.ee, we can discuss inequality, but don’t forget that, in India, life can be objectively very hard even for people from the relatively (!) well-off strata. Especially if you’re (like me) living in the West, we should respect that.
We should, correct, but not if you are not respectful of the less fortunate. How hypocritical to punch down and complain that someone higher punched you.
Yes, life is tough and respect is earned with humility.
I hope you will go around and experience the world a little bit, listen to others people’s experiences without judgement (if you don’t want to be judged) and be a little more humble and understanding towards other lives.
As I understand you, you’re in favor of abolishing quotas for SC/ST persons, for example. In view of the large and rising income inequality and wealth inequality across the Indian population (stats), would you be open to an ambitious ‘caste-blind’ social security system, financed by taxing the rich? Or to income-based educational support programs?
For some context, I am from India too, and even rabid right wingers in my family (mostly men, for obvious reasons) don’t have a problem with reservations. The only people who tend to have a problem with those are upper caste people, who are about 30% of the population. This is a truly elitist position. I have faced casteism even in one of the most urban, educated and wealthy cities in India where I lived for a while (Bangalore) and I am not even a Dalit (the ‘untouchables’, i.e., SC/ST people). This is a hilariously out of touch position in real life, it’s more common on the internet because of the dominance of UCs and their generational privilege.
I am thinking of a social security system (or welfare system, or redistribution scheme, or tax scheme) which does not take caste into consideration, but only factors such as income, wealth, parental income and wealth, illnesses and disabilities, …
In Europe and other Western countries, discontent about immigrants (and their descendants) is on the rise because people who struggle give them the blame for their own hardships, and a lot of politicians gain power by appealing to these sentiments, yet the policies that they then enact just make the rich richer and the poor even poorer.
Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?
Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?
Yes that’s what happens in here
The kind of social security system you’re talking about would be the best for India. But that would take 3-4 decades to be fully functional considering the usual rise in communal riots
But neither of the parties (BJP or Congress) would do that because they just want to make the votebank happy who are mostly the uneducated ones in towns, slums and villages
The politics in this country is fkn cinema atp! They wouldn’t spend a single penny for the ones who think rationally before voting someone
What conservative positions do you support?
Don’t make up stuff about him.
Use his own shitty opinions to bash him in the comments just below.
Stop hating and check my other comment
I’m from india so I can tell my perspective only for my country
I want
Edit - Damn!! People are even downvoting this
What caste are you friendo?
Rupees to rotis that you aren’t Dalit.
I didn’t know my caste until I was 16 because in cities that shit doesn’t exist
I’m kayastha. The community which never followed caste system in the 1900s… but now I have face affirmative actions because my ancestors were rich in general and had an history of being jamindars (land owners)
Do you think the fact that you were unaware of your caste might be an indicator of privilege? Do you think your Dalit neighbors (if you have any) grew up ignorant of their caste?
Ohh yes they did
I’m from the NE part of india. There are more ST people in here, most of my ST friends are richer than me. They usually have Jordans and 2-3 iPhones (iPhones are expensive in india) but they enjoy the perks of freebies and affirmative actions while earning more than the average indian
Bro I would say one thing for you. Everything you see about india in the news channels isn’t real. Neither every people look and speak the same nor everyone gets into arranged marriages
People may say I’m playing the victim card but I didn’t get a single privilege for that
It’s kinda amazing how you sound like my boomer American grandparents complaining about affirmative action because my students had AirPods.
Reactionary lazy hatred is truly a universal language.
Nah, I know it’s not all rural “marrying little girls to frogs for rain” stuff. But I also know it is still an issue in the cities, and like white folks in America, you get extremely upset and insecure at the idea that other people maybe deserve a fair share of the pie.
Well I won’t say I hate those people in general but I do hate the ones who aren’t thankful for it. So yeah, hatred is there and I’m a human
That was the storyline for freakin cartoon my sis used to watch. I didn’t know if someone recreated it in reality. Well I can’t say I’m shocked
Yeah I mean white people in America and general category people in India are shown as the privileged group in their respective countries so usually the govt don’t give them much in return. And both the groups starts hating it.
Now the difference which comes here is the White Americans just stay in their country because America is still far ahead in case of development and living standards. But in India, those people usually migrate to some other countries because the parts of India where you can live like a King (the new cities with hundreds of apartments and luxury malls) doesn’t get them the “worth it” feeling which they get by staying in Airbnbs in some EU country so eventually they get out of the whole subcontinent
I have bad news for you brown guy, you are a middle ground between conservatives and fascists. Almost all of your takes are aggressive and repressive. People don’t work like that, we are all different and we should account for all diversity. You think “uneducated low earning people” should not get free shit but because they can be bribed. So you understand that desperate people would do anything, so why not help them? Why are they desperate? You remove the freebies but you keep the poverty.
You can step into fascism when you realise that “removing DEI” it’s a lot of bureaucracy and wasted time. Bullets are much cheaper.
I know it’s a mixed side. But I’m definitely not a fascist nor do I support fascism
I don’t know if you don’t understand the situation but in india shit is complex. There have been interviews of people living in slums, they say they are making more children to get a little more money from the govt (from the scheme which was made for educational purposes of lower income households), some of them are regularly caught to be begging instead of doing some work (specially the ones who are fully fit and fine).
You know why it’s like that? Because most of them got the bread and circus and they don’t want anything more.
The govt doesn’t even care about the poor and handicapped people tbh, because they get less seats from the affirmative actions. The so called oppressed groups “STs/SCs” get it.
Recently I gave an exam, the cutoff for general category is 94%ile but for ST it is 49%ile. Just look at the difference
That’s why affirmative actions should be income based only for the ones who are in the BPL (below poverty line) list
I have some very superficial knowledge of Indian system casts etc… but regardless, people are people, fundamentally they act the same.
Let’s start from here: they don’t want anything else. Are you sure? Would you believe in a system where you are confined in your cast (or for any other countries, general poverty), where you need to slave just to survive? If you live in a slum, yes your first issue is bread, second issue is bread tomorrow. You are not drinking grass smoothies dreaming a lambo. Why? Because you know, you see it everyday, that no matter what you do the probability are against you.
So why anyone living in a slum would even try to game the system? “Nobody expects me to make it… why not make as many kids as possible and get the money, at least my first son will survive. “
We need to stop thinking about people in terms of good vs. evil. We are surviving machines, we do what profit us and make us last long, good or bad doesn’t matter. Governments should account for that and give everyone the same OPPORTUNITIES and bridge differences with empathy and understanding.
Talk to homeless people, listen to their stories. You will realise it’s an unlucky, unsupported, discarded version of you.
That’s what I used to think before. But now when I’m in the age where I have to compete, I see everyone getting what I deserve (seats in universities) just because I’m a i) general category (the ones without any affirmative actions), ii) male, iii) middle/upper middle class.
You know who bad does that feel? It’s not a first world country where I can choose a mid profession and expect to go for vacations abroad… NO!!. In these countries there is blood bath in competitions, in which I would say I was just good but unlucky too because of those three things
For equality to exist in India, the govt has to cut the freebies and make the education system better and teach civic sense to the country people.
In this country, I have to pay 30% tax and I don’t get shit. That’s the worst part, on top of that you’ll be generalized as a bad guy everywhere because of the media. The govt isn’t making laws gender neutral due to which the younger generation are scared to marry.
There are thousands of problems in this country. Giving out freebies and affirmative actions won’t help at all
How precious. “They are not the victim here, I am!”. You are very lucky, you don’t have to worry about food or shelter, you have a middle/upper class family, you can choose a profession, you can go abroad, you don’t have to worry about your personal safety as a man.
Yet, with all these advantages in life you choose to go online and complain about people who don’t have these, crying lack of civic sense.
Have you ever thought that maybe the competition is right and you are not good enough? Maybe you don’t deserve a mid job? Sucks to be a loser, maybe if you are kinder to the less fortunate than you, you might get some sympathy.
@dan00@lemm.ee What the fuck. One can disagree with @brown_guy@lemm.ee, we can discuss inequality, but don’t forget that, in India, life can be objectively very hard even for people from the relatively (!) well-off strata. Especially if you’re (like me) living in the West, we should respect that.
We should, correct, but not if you are not respectful of the less fortunate. How hypocritical to punch down and complain that someone higher punched you.
Yes, life is tough and respect is earned with humility.
Well if we talk about merit and as I’m a student. It affected me in JEE exam
My percentile was 89 but still I wasn’t selected but an ST guy with 55%ile got selected. BUT HEYY!! I am the loser
I don’t wanna argue here about it man. I can’t change someone’s opinion
I hope you will go around and experience the world a little bit, listen to others people’s experiences without judgement (if you don’t want to be judged) and be a little more humble and understanding towards other lives.
As I understand you, you’re in favor of abolishing quotas for SC/ST persons, for example. In view of the large and rising income inequality and wealth inequality across the Indian population (stats), would you be open to an ambitious ‘caste-blind’ social security system, financed by taxing the rich? Or to income-based educational support programs?
For some context, I am from India too, and even rabid right wingers in my family (mostly men, for obvious reasons) don’t have a problem with reservations. The only people who tend to have a problem with those are upper caste people, who are about 30% of the population. This is a truly elitist position. I have faced casteism even in one of the most urban, educated and wealthy cities in India where I lived for a while (Bangalore) and I am not even a Dalit (the ‘untouchables’, i.e., SC/ST people). This is a hilariously out of touch position in real life, it’s more common on the internet because of the dominance of UCs and their generational privilege.
What’s caste blind social security system?
There should income based affirmative actions, for the ones who comes in BPL (below poverty line) list and for the specially abled people
If more than half a century of affirmative actions wasn’t able to give jobs to certain communities, then it’s a skill issue not a society issue
Casteism doesn’t exists except in some villages, left extremists would say otherwise
I am thinking of a social security system (or welfare system, or redistribution scheme, or tax scheme) which does not take caste into consideration, but only factors such as income, wealth, parental income and wealth, illnesses and disabilities, …
In Europe and other Western countries, discontent about immigrants (and their descendants) is on the rise because people who struggle give them the blame for their own hardships, and a lot of politicians gain power by appealing to these sentiments, yet the policies that they then enact just make the rich richer and the poor even poorer.
Could something analogous be going on in India (with the lower castes in the place of immigrants), in that the ultra-rich people manage to avoid paying taxes commensurate to their wealth by making public policy debate focus on DEI or affirmative action programs?
Yes that’s what happens in here
The kind of social security system you’re talking about would be the best for India. But that would take 3-4 decades to be fully functional considering the usual rise in communal riots
But neither of the parties (BJP or Congress) would do that because they just want to make the votebank happy who are mostly the uneducated ones in towns, slums and villages
The politics in this country is fkn cinema atp! They wouldn’t spend a single penny for the ones who think rationally before voting someone