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Hasn’t this study / analysis already been done? And I’m pretty sure that it was established that if you have schizophrenia already waiting to come to the surface, marijuana will probably trigger that. But not cause it.
If it caused it, there would’ve been a massive notable increase in people suddenly “catching” schizophrenia like it’s an airborne virus, anywhere that it was legalized or decriminalized.
Yeah it’s basically known that anything psychoactive can bring about otherwise latent/dormant schizophrenia.
This is true for mdma, lsd, thc, mushrooms, etc.
Basically if there has been schizophrenia in your family, stay away from psychoactive drugs.
I share those thoughts
As someone with a diagnosis of schizophrenia going on a decade now - I sure would like it if the mental “health” industry would quit using my condition/identity as a scare tactic against cannabis use. Let alone equating it with psychosis.
It’s really no ones business whose choosing to activate which brain circuits, with a substance humanity has been using for over four MILLENIA now! It’s part of humanity’s shared history and culture. It’s actually the past 70 years of prohibition that have been the abboration… And life is a bit broader than the assignment of conditions to people and character types which the industry has devoted its self to.
These articles under this broader analysis, really do look like propaganda. Just another way to label and control people in service of Capitalism, where health is a functional worker, or an ideologically sound Capitalist. Because that’s the underlying truth mental health claims obscure. Those who fit in are deemed “healthy” those having any type of alternate experience of life or themselves are deemed ill. That’s what that industry and it’s history comes down to.
This is the same industry by the way that tortured people in assylums, lobotomized anyone who was too loud, and sterilized gay people. It’s also the industry that pioneered the T4 gassing program in early Nazi Germany. Because in that social/political/historical context, the mass killings of assylums patients was seen as a sanitation issue, making the German people “healthier” by removing the “unhealthy” stock.
I raise this not to make some Godwin style argument, but to say this is how these industries and the concept of health its self is manufactured by the ideological and social values of the times. This is why it’s important to question things critically and look at broader viewpoints and understandings.
Although this meta-analysis shows a strong and consistent association between cannabis use and psychosis, a causal link cannot be unequivocally established.
a causal link cannot be unequivocally established
To clarify, we can’t even attempt to prove causation due to users self selecting to use cannabis, especially at high dosages at young ages.
So it’s not like people try to find causation and failed, we ethically can’t even do the experiments required to see if there’s causation. Because to do that modern scientists would have to pull the same experiments the CIA did with LSD in the 60s.
We’d have to dose people (kids really) who don’t want dosed or even really know it’s happening.
So we can’t say the absence of proven causation means anything.
This headline is worded in the most scare-tactic-y way possible. Schizophrenia affects something like 0.5% of the population, which means that, according to this study, it affects 2% of heavy cannabis users. Phrasing it as 4 times more likely to develop schizophrenia makes it sound like it is a likely outcome, rather than a still-probablistically-very-low chance.
Also causation vs correlation. Isn’t it likely that people with schizophrenia are self medicating, especially before diagnosis and treatment? I know that happens for other undiagnosed and misdiagnosed neurological conditions like autism and ADHD.
Academically speaking, other than it being informative for some, I can’t seem to understand the purpose of posting this article in this community. Please enlighten me! 🙏
Anti-Scizophrenics Propaganda.
The majority of people with a schizophrenia diagnosis are non-violent.
Ok but what If I live with people who chain smoke cannabis and Im a teetotaler? I live with people who chain smoke cannabis all day, everyday and I cant really affodd to go anywhere else…except for a homeless shelter… but ALL the homeless shelters where I live are super filled.
Ive been a teetotaler my whole life. And Im 30 now and STILL a teetotaler so Im pretty sure we can all agree I will be a teetotaler till forever.
So why do I as a teetotaler have to pay for what others do? Why am I not allowed to have my own tiny , cannabis-free place to live? Im completely peaceful, I dont have a single violent incident on my record.
As a senior who has asthma and takes handful of prescription drugs, i’d just like to say how stupid you are for using this shit.
Cannabis is way more likely to ruin your lungs than tobacco.
“In conclusion, unequivocal evidence established that cannabis smoking is harmful to the respiratory system. Cannabis smoking has a wide range of negative effects on respiratory symptoms in both healthy subjects and patients with chronic lung disease. Given that the most common and cheapest way of assumption of cannabis is by smoking, healthcare providers should be prepared to provide counselling on cannabis smoking cessation and inform the public and decision-makers.”
https://www.resmedjournal.com/article/S0954-6111(23)00382-7/fulltext
You know there’s ton of ways that don’t involve smoking? Putting anything in your lungs that isn’t meant to be there will have negative side effects.
I have exercised induced asthma and dry herb vapes have been a life saver for me but I still recognize that I’m putting something in my lungs that doesn’t belong.
yeah the article he gives also is mainly about cannabis being hoter and held in. Sounds like its more about method than materials:
“Compared to tobacco smoking, cannabis is smoked with larger and more prolonged inhalations, causing barotraumas, at times. Since joints, spliffs, and blunts are usually smoked without a filter, the concentration of the particulates in the airways are 4 times higher than when tobacco alone is smoked. Additionally, cannabis smoke generates higher temperatures that modify the biochemical processes and production of many chemicals within the body”
Does it talk about volume, though? I don’t take a smoke break every few hours to smoke a full joint. My coworkers will have a cigarette every few hours, though.
not that I saw. seemed to be comparing effects of one inhalation. what got me is they are comparing a joint and other non filtered things to a filtered cigarette. Don’t get me wrong any type of inhaling things into the lungs is bad but im skeptical about tobacco being worse than cannabis.
I agree. Even if we accept the smoking constraint, there’s paper filters, cotton filters, water filters…
yeah and besides limiting particulates they will also lower the heat the paper talks about. That leaves length of having it in the lungs but as you point out smokers smoke all the time. When a smoker takes the time to really enjoy a cig the way someone would with cannabis they hold it in longer too. Similarly folks that smoke bud contantly don’t hold it in all the time like that. They start smoking more like smokers. I not only doubt tobacco is better I feel like your more likely not to get additives with cannabis that might make it ever so slightly better. Again though inhaling things into the lungs is just not a good idea.
Cannabis is way more likely to ruin your lungs than tobacco.
Dumbest shit I’ll read all day. That lead in your gas as a kid really did a number on you.
Like, per hit maybe. But do people really smoke 20 grams of weed a day, all day every day?
dont they fucking put gasoline, other known carcinogens and antjfreeze in most modern tobacco smoking products?
Im a teetotaler but I would definitely tell somekne to pick cannabis over tobacco any day of the week. fuuug that shit about tobacco ‘somehow’ being less severe that cannabis.
Smoking. When the study relies only on smoking cannabis instead of vaping it or ingesting it, you know it’s just a weak hit piece.
Are you aware of herbal vaporizers? They even make oils you can literally rub into your skin for various treatments and effects… And there’s a wide variety of edible. Hell you can just sprinkle some on buttered toast and the heat and the fact active ingredients are fat solluable will convey the required effects.
But at least I won’t call you stupid for not knowing all this.
Edibles and tinctures are a thing. I have very severe asthma and will either get a really nasty flare up or go into a full attack with just one whiff, but I’m able to use both without issue.
