A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong.
In the lawsuit, six members of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority chapter challenged Artemis Langford’s admission by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender woman. Wyoming U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson, in his ruling, found that sorority bylaws don’t define who’s a woman.
The case at Wyoming’s only four-year public university drew widespread attention as transgender people fight for more acceptance in schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push back.
This is all just absolutely wild to me because I went to an all-women’s college and we had no issues accepting trans women (there was a trans woman there when I was a student and it was honestly no big thing for anyone), and that was quite a while ago (I’m so old lol). But NOW it’s a damn issue? I feel like we’ve regressed so much and it’s painful.
Were they living in your house?
Not in my dorm, no. But she was living on campus in a dorm and no one seemed to give the smallest of fucks at the time. I wouldn’t have cared in the slightest had she been living in my dorm.
Oh and.
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TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN.Women with traumatic pasts can be afraid if they want. Just look at what happens in prisons when a transsexual mtf goes into female population and ends up having a bunch of sex or even raping other inmates. It’s not like it’s completely out of the realm of possibility.
Can you cite an example of this ever happening?
Your second example is false. Your first points to a systemic problem with Riker’s as evidenced here: https://www.bronxda.nyc.gov/downloads/pdf/pr/2021/39-2021 rikers-island-violence-indictments.pdf
“Since Grand Juries re-convened in late February/March of 2021, the Rikers Island Prosecution Bureau has indicted 37 cases involving assaults on staff as well as assaults by detainees on detainees. The majority of the cases were brought to the bureau by Department of Correction’s Correction Intelligence Bureau as investigations. There are currently approximately 268 open investigations.”
Looks like you found one example in amongst a whole bunch of other assaults which were not committed by trans people.
3 links. And if there’s even one it can certainly make rape victims uncomfortable about sharing a living space with men, or “penis havers”. Maybe they’re in a sorority to stay away from dicks.
You asked for an example of it ever happening and I provided examples of it ever happening but you ignore them and claim one is false. Great goalpost moving there.
Worth noting that this was not a great leap - the judge didn’t rule anything particularly interesting about trans rights, he simply said that freedom of association means you can’t go to court to force a private organization to exclude someone.
Exactly. I disagree strongly with the sorority’s decision, but can/should we compel individuals to hang out with people they don’t want to hang out with?
If the group receives public money, it’s a whole different situation
I’m assuming that the majority of members are fine with this, otherwise they’d simply change their bylaws to exclude trans women (and probably get away with doing so for the same legal reason). These 6 members were probably the losers of some internal battle who went to court to try to get their way anyway and failed.
This explanation certainly makes me feel the least concerned for the new sister, so I hope so!
I disagree strongly with the sorority’s decision
to not exclude the trans woman?
can/should we compel individuals to hang out with people they don’t want to hang out with?
of course not, but if the people who don’t want to “hang out” with others only don’t want to because of wilfully ignorant hate (in other words - for no good reason, and of course this isn’t about not wanting to hang out this is about excluding and attempting to erase an entire group of people), it shouldn’t be the person who they hate for no good reason who is excluded, but them.
Agree on principle, but you simply can’t make private organizations associate with someone they don’t want to.
Sure, I bet some of the members were fine with her joining, but they joined an organization with a decision making hierarchy, and have to abide by that leadership’s vote/decision. If they don’t like the decision they should leave, and join a more open group. (or work to remove the leadership and bring about the changes they want).
In this case it sounds like the rules didn’t bar her from joining so I don’t get the case at all.
Trans women are women, don’t come at me like I’m a bigot.
In all of these situations, replace trans woman with, say, black woman. Now how does it sound?
I think black women should be allowed in sororities even if individual members object. This is in keeping with the law that allows private organizations to associate freely under most circumstances but prevents discrimination based on federally protected classes.
Idk, sounds pretty okay to me
That was my point exactly. Can’t discriminate against protected classes.
So you made the same point they did and added nothing.
