I mean, I’m not saying that there was any corruption or explicit instruction to give them a penalty, but even the minor thought that a certain club’s state-owners might pay me/hire me more often can be incredibly enticing.
Went to wookey hole…no Wookees. Biggest let down of my life
Was there a VAR decision with which you disagree? If there was, then the idea of a conflict of interest might make sense. But if not, I’m not sure that the appearance of a coi is relevant.
Yes but even without VAR you weren’t winning the derby.
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Saudis are slowly destroying the PL🤦♂️
I can see why the penalty was awarded and I’m not up in arms over it, but dozens of those challenges happen per game.
Referees and the PGMOL need to be whiter than white. Even the slightest, smallest hint of corruption will call results and decisions into question. That absolutely cannot happen.
The fact that you, I and we can ask this question proves that people at the Premier League clubs can. And if they can, they can use said questions to pressure the referees in press releases, conferences and interviews to a larger degree than already happens.
We all remember Lampard and Klopp questioning how many penalties Man United were getting. This was designed to pressure referees. Imagine the top managers armed with the suspicion that a referee is employed by the owners of Man City. It’s not a good look.
Cry more, can’t beat us on the field so you start barking off it lol
I find it ridiculous how low (relatively speaking, compared to how much everyone else on the pitch and the manger make) they are paid. Apparently its something like 60k base + 2k/match. So they make like 100-120k/year. This is after years of officiating in lower leagues for less than half that salary.
If they are were paid something like 300-400k/year or even more, there would be no need for them to go to UAE and officiate games there. I also suspect it’d attract better referees - after all who wants to spend years referring for what like 30-40k in lower leagues and for a shot at 100-120k/year when they are will into middle age?
It’s not like the EPL can’t afford it. Just increase their salaries and ban them from moonlighting and you remove this conflict of interest.
I’m sorry but 120k a year to referee a couple of matches each week is a lot of money. 60k base is huge, for essentially doing nothing. It’s not like they’re athletes, some of them are outright out of shape, like, what the fuck do they do with their time? A couple of meetings to discuss refereeing shit? They’re essentially doing a relatively normal work out plan (the kind of thing plenty of people do as a hobby) and then running around for 90 minutes, and they’re collecting a massive salary for it, and then most of them still manage to do a terrible job.
They’re basically robbing the league blind at this point.
So would you become a premier league referee for £120k a year? Constant abuse from fans, name thrown everywhere if you get any decision wrong (which no matter how good you’re is going to happen because they’re human) being recognisable around the world and being likely to have a random have a go at you for a previous decision. Players swearing at you. You’re happy to do this for £120k?
Yes I would, it is double what I am paid now and I feed 3 more people.
Yes, 100%. This is what a lot of doctors/surgeons get paid and they have to do like a decade of study and have people’s lives in their hands, so yes. To jog around a bit, blow a whistle, and have the best view of football of literally any non-player, yes, 120k sounds like theft.
You can’t compare what football earns to what doctors and nurses get paid. We just go back to having a go at what everyone earns in football the and the non footballing fan saying that it’s a disgrace what footballers earn for kicking a ball around. Refs are an integral part of the football setup and should be paid accordingly.
I can and I will. You’re talking about risks and repercussions in work, there are many, many jobs where the risks are far worse than what a referee risks. Police, who get paid less, how much do they risk? There are mundane jobs where people don’t get paid much but the regulatory and compliance environment means they risk jail time if they mess up. Builders, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, all of these jobs, if they do something wrong they risk financially and legally. If you don’t fit a seatbelt or a tire or a break pad right as a mechanic and that ends up killing someone in an accident, you risk literal fucking jail time. So again, give me 120k to jog around for 180 odd minutes every week with a bunch of overpaid wankers and I’ll take it every day.
You wanted to talk about salaries and what the job is and now you don’t because you realised your argument was a bit dumb, but no, I’m sorry, they get paid plenty and looking at their performances I’d say they deserve less.
It’s not just about what they “deserve”. It’s staving off corruption, and also attracting top talent to the job. The weak talent pool we have for officials at the top level is clearly evidence of that. You can afford to pay someone shit wages in retail because you can always throw a new body in there when you burn out the others. Not so with refs, it takes years to train up a PL level ref.
And to be clear, I advocate for higher wages for the officials, but hand in hand with greater consequences for huge errors like we’ve seen.
The idea that higher wages prevents corruption is false. Only checks and balances will do that, and football has very few.
Yes, and it’s because City, yknow, are cheaters
Yet people are still trying to justify their shit, City deserve so much more hate than they get
Let’s stop hating on each other and EVERYONE gang up on City
I hope you’re not older than 12, pathetic.
Do you actually watch football games ?
Firstly it was michael Oliver and Last year it was the same Michael Oliver who checked and let the goal allow on Old Trafford.
“However, VAR Michael Oliver quickly checked the goal and adjudged Rashford had not interfered in play enough to disallow the goal, allowing it to stand”
You didn’t think of conflict of interest when it benefitted you last year?
Everyone’s salty only when VAR’s against them. They will never think about this incident from last year because they were favoured.
Nope doesn’t count since that doesn’t fit the narrative.
How are some united fans holding on so dearly to that decision after that abysmal performance. I guess both sides must’ve paid the ref because that was a clear red on Antony
This is always the way which is why I just ignore all this rubbish now. I see so many silly posts about refs being dodgy etc but only when it impacts their own team. As soon as it’s another team, well things just balance out, refereeing though is not a black and white simple system and var doesn’t change that either. It’s still people just using more angles and cameras and people make mistakes or have different views.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Oliver making a stunning error last season doesn’t balance out any perceived error this.
Wrong is wrong, no matter for whom.
Looking at any one or two decisions in a vacuum is never helpful. There’s a clear conflict of interest in allowing referees to officiate games of clubs owned by the people who hire them on all-expenses paid trips to that region. At a minimum, officials wouldn’t want to risk upsetting the apple cart & losing what is a very lucrative & frequently cushy gig. At a maximum, who knows who insidious those trips can be in terms of swaying an official one way or the other in order to provide favourable outcomes?
I think anybody jumping on this with the venom & misunderstanding I’ve seen in this thread must honestly have very little experience of adult life & believe everything is separated and contextless.
And if Oliver had been paid to referee “The Glazers Annual Soccer Bonanza” a few weeks before that decision, how would you have felt about that?
Don’t care to be honest, firstly referees are paid less and if they are doing work in any other league then it’s fine , they have to think about their welfare too.
The fact that they have worked on the other league shows that they can do it and it’s in their contract. If there was any discrepancy then pgmol would have not allowed it.
Read the below article pgmol had already given permission to Oliver to officiate a SPL match in April.
Wasn’t this issue brought up a few weeks ago and immediately dismissed?
Usually gets dismissed automatically when we bring it up
Us Arsenal fans won’t so easily dismiss it. If referees are having their income supplemented by the same state wealth fund that props up one of the clubs they’re officiating then their judgement is in question.
It doesn’t even have to be a nefarious arrangement. Humans are just often keenly aware of where their bread is buttered
The fact that PGMOL don’t even seem worried about having their integrity called into question shows that football media is completely asleep at the wheel. Sky, BBC et al. Aren’t doing anything like journalism it’s more like advertising for the premier league and its collection of robber barons, mob bosses, and blood-soaked dictators
They need to pay ref’s better first of all, but FIFA or UEFA needs to have a proper review of its rules pertaining to ownership and conflicts of interest. Nobody envisioned that countries would be getting involved, the systemic risk is too great. It doesn’t matter if referee’s like Paul Tierney have actually been influenced by UAE, or Saudi Arabia, the conflict of interest is there, the potential for corruption is there, that is enough to ring alarm bells and put a stop to whatever might be happening.
I mean, the UEFA affiliated refs aren’t doing too badly on about £200k a year? No point worrying/comparing it to the players because they’re different professions entirely.
but epl refs make between £38,500 and £42,000 plus 850 a match. probably less than the groundskeepers do.