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    They bitch about the Hexane, which boils off at 69C, 156F. Sooooo… if you’re frying your chicken at 155F not only are you doing it wrong you’re possibly leaving Hexane in the final product.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane

    These are the same people who slow cook turkeys at 120F

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      It’s possible to cook turkey at 120f but only if you know what you’re doing, like if you’re using an immersion circulator. 130 makes more sense for breast though and 150 for leg/thigh

      Seed oils are fine, these people are dumb

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          Thats the concept of Sous Vide.

          You essentially vacuum seal the meat in a bag and then stick in water thats at 120F (just an example) and let it get its internal temp up to match

          You typically finish it with a sear. Some restaurants do this pretty heavily as it makes achieving consistency stupid simple.

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            120 would be very low for anything other than fish, which is sometimes cooked at an even lower temperature.

            Edit: not shitting on your example, just sharing.

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              Pasteurization curves work at 120f for most things but most people would prefer a higher temperature because they want the protein denaturing and collagen breakdown that occurs at higher temps (resulting in a slightly firmer texture)

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                The necessary internal temp is still strongly affected by both the type of meat, as well as known infectious diseases that will grow in different foods.

                Pasteurization also has very specific context…

                So, color me not convinced!

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                  No you’re correct and I’m a dummy, it’s been ages since I’ve cooked meat. 130F is the lower bound for beef

                  You can sous vide beef in some circumstances at 120 but this is the equivalent of cooking beef rare. If you do this you should either blanch the beef or sear the meat before cooking it

                  The whole “cook meat as low as you possibly can sous vide” thing is dead anyway. All the cool kids have moved on to the new Baldwin curves that overshoot to speed up cooking immensely (outlined here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GapkjSTx3Ao )

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                I have done sous vide steak and sous vide egg cups. Both very good but I can reverse sear steak and get as good a result; the egg cups though were incredible and I don’t know another way to get the low and consistent temperature. It’s like a warm water bath for them.

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                Right, if you keep the water at the temp you want what you’re cooking in it, as heat transfers from the water to the food, you just heat the water a little more. Eventually, the food is entirely exactly the temp of the water, with no possibility of getting hotter, so the food can’t get overcooked even if it sits longer than necessary. Usually, you’ll quickly finish something after it’s done, like less than 1 min from sous vide to plate. It’s good when you have time to do the prep work but don’t have time just before the meal to do all the cooking, especially if you wanted to serve a lot of guests. Also, if someone likes food cooked to a certain doneness but is bad at judging it.

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          This is how pasteurization works fyi. You shouldn’t do it in your home oven because air is a terrible insulator and your home oven likely sucks at maintaining temperature but if you can maintain temperature relatively precisely (not terribly, like within a swing of half a degree) and can use a medium that is not a terrible insulator (like a water bath) the problem is solved

          Thus things like pasteurized milk, eggs, and sous vide.

          Louis pasteur essentially found that you can just cook things to a super high temperature to kill bacteria but alternatively you can bring them to a much lower temperature and hold them at said temperature for a specific period of time and this will result in a reduction of bacteria to safe levels. This is highly preferable because it preserves flavor and texture. He was a super genius and you should read a book

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              They said don’t use your home oven to do it, because the temp of air in an oven is not consistent. Use sous vide (at home) and you’ll be just fine.

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            Hexane can be an extremely low-percentage product of scorching some oils. But the temperatures needed to produce the hexane are far higher than hexane’s boiling point, so it’s all bullshit. It’ll be volatilized away as soon as it’s produced.

            The other anti-seed-oil trope is that scorching seed oils produces free radicals. Free radicals are highly reactive and can be carcinogenic. But you get free radicals whenever you burn any sort of food, and it has long been known that cultures where people consume lots of burnt food have higher rates of esophageal and stomach cancers. That’s why most real nutritionists (the ones who do science, not the ones who con the gullible) say “Don’t eat burnt stuff.”

            A little searing is probably OK, no need to give up the Maillard reaction entirely. But if it’s charred, your cancer risk increases about as much as smoking a pack a day (smoking is another source of free radicals and combustion products).

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            No one. Perhaps I was too subtle. These granola eaters think people are but there’s no hexane left once the oil is packaged