A family says their newborn son nearly bled to death and is fighting for his life after he was circumcised at a New York City hospital.
Tim and Gabrielle Groth said their son, Cole, underwent the circumcision at NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan, where he was born on March 31.
Why do they still perform such barbaric rites in the 21st century in the first place?
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I mean look who’s sitting in the oval office. Science has progressed but most humans have not.
Yet theyre against mutilating genitals when it comes to trans people.
Yeah, the first time I heard of people protesting against “mutilating children’s genitals [in North America]”, I thought it was a protest against circumcision. I thought, “Wow, we’re finally moving society forward!”
…nope. It was backwards again.
As sick as it is, personal preference
It is usually not the personal preference of the person operated on.
There are a lot of medical decisions that simply should not be left in the hands of parents, and this is one of them, if not the score leader.
It’s not a medical decision. The procedure is completely unnecessary and unwarranted without a diagnosis.
Yeah—personal preference. As in, not the preference of the fucking parents.
Not for the newborn it isn’t. Something as personal as your own genetals should be your own personal choice, but in this instance the owner of the penis gave no consent.
In parenting classes in my liberal area, the nurses will say “I’m required to tell you that circumcision has medical benefits”. Then they fume how it’s based off bad research and cut themselves short. “However it’s not like your son will be lined up for a nude photo. You can break the cycle of trauma”. I’m lucky to live here.
Damn you have some good nurses. In my liberal area the best they did was mention that it’s optional (literally some people think it’s not). We also have liberal relatives who did it to their son just so he’d “look like dad.” Wtf
My partner gets mad when I point out that the same “medical benefits” can be said for FGM.
Stop mutilating your children.
Stupid fucking parents.
There’s a really easy way to tell whether or not you should decide to circumcise a penis. First, check if it’s your penis. If it isn’t your penis, don’t circumcise it BECAUSE THAT IS NOT YOUR DICK AND YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHICH FLESH BELONGS AND WHICH DOESN’T ON IT.
niche medical conditions walking in
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My bro had one for medical reason, there’s no problem with that even though we usually dont do it here
I had a foreskin issue where I couldn’t pull it back. Got it removed around age 10. Wasn’t fun but now my captain doesn’t wear his cap to dinner. Looks normal too.
I assumed they were specifically talking about babies. If there’s a genuine issue then it makes sense, but I don’t know of anything that’s diagnosable at birth that would require circumcision.
I know a lot of young adults also get the procedure for the same reason as you. I was in your boat until probably my mid-teens before things fixed themselves, but it clearly doesn’t work out that way for some.
Stop circumcising children. Let men decide if they want to be circumcised when they are willing up to consent at the age of 18. I guarantee circumcision will drop by 95% or more.
And if that’s the case, then don’t fucking force this on an infant.
Let’s replace “curcumsising” with “imposing religion” to get the same result
Yes and no. That’s a much harder thing to argue in reality. I’m an atheist so I’m pretty anti-religion, but the reality is that all parents want to teach their child at least some of their worldview. If that worldview includes religion, who are we to say “no, you can’t teach that”? The child can always change their mind when they’re older and in theory there’s no harm. But a child can’t decide to get their foreskin back. (I know there is a surgery to try to add some back, but it’s just aesthetic, the nerves will never be recovered.)
Oy Vey
Wow, mods are really going to censor this guy for saying “Oy Vey”?
What group of people do you think would shout the loudest and pull the most strings to make sure it’s still legal and encouraged to mutilate the penises of newborn males?
Jesus fuck, even on lemmy we can’t criticize them.
Haha, best response here.
there’s another pointless bullshit stone age tradition that’s long overdue for going the fuck away forever
christopher hitchens (R.I.P.) says it better than anyone ever has or will:
Male genital mutilation.
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I just want to clarity- You’re cheering on the potential death of a newborn child?
It’s ironic because the whole reason I’m even here on lemmy is because I was permabanned from reddit for telling someone to crawl back in their hole because they were defending circumcision while claiming female genital mutilation was abhorrent. As if mutilating a penis is perfectly fine but don’t dare mutilate a vulva.
I know this isn’t the main topic here but it just reminds me that body shaming men is okay but body shaming women isn’t. Especially when it comes to sex organs.
I feel like your argument loses something by being stated backwards. It (and Hacksaws reply) comes off sounding like you are more angry at women than the patriarchy and want to be able to mutilate and body shame them. Rather than what I hope and assume is the case, that you want all genitals protected from mutilation and shaming.
I’m just bringing up the double standard. You’re correct in your assumption that I don’t want ANY genitals being mutilated.
But it’s not patriarchal that circumcision is normalized for aesthetical reasons. Women circumcise their sons because they don’t like uncut penises. I’ve NEVER heard a man say anything like that outside of not wanting their child to feel different because other boys are all circumcised. Women do it for aesthetics. Men do it because of a fear of being different. There’s a difference.
It shouldn’t be done at all but the idea that uncut penises look gross is inherently a woman thing.
I’ve never heard a woman say they did or would have their baby boy circumcised because uncircumcised penises are gross, or any other version of aesthetic reasons. The religious reasons are rooted in the patriarchy, as is the “need” to look like one’s father and male relatives.
In the case of female circumcision, it’s a way of enforcing the position of women as property, making it more apparent if she’s ever had sex so her virginity can be sold to her husband. In its most extreme forms it can require she be cut open in order to give birth, and resewn each time. It can block clumps of menstrual blood and lead to infection and sepsis. In less extreme versions it can prevent her from feeling any pleasure during sex, in order to prevent her from having any except that imposed by her husband.
Anecdotally, I’ve known more mothers who fought for their child not to be circumcised than fathers. I fully encourage men to put their feet down on this issue too. This is very often a battle that the parent who cares more wins on.
Aesthetics are the most often cited reason for male circumcision in the USA. It is rarely medically necessary, and only religiously motivated among Jewish people.
Fathers wanting their boy to look “like all the other little boys” is aesthetics
It would be aesthetics if fathers did it because they think it looks better. But that’s not what’s happening. They do it over fear that their sons will be ostracised for having different looking dicks. That’s a social reason, not an aesthetic one.
Men do it because of a fear of being different.
I think a lot of people make a very reasonable argument that a huge reason this anxiety even exists is because of patriarchy
Sometimes it not some patriarchy conspiracy. Just sometimes.
Nobody said it’s a conspiracy. It’s practically a natural phenomenon. Why would anybody be afraid that their child would look different from the other boys? Because they don’t want the other boys to bully him. Why do we all know that the other boys would bully him? Well, the good news is there’s a lot of research on this topic but the unfortunate thing is if you wanna learn more, you’ll have to engage with a word you don’t seem to like for some reason.
It’s the same reason men want their sons to play sports and do manly things. Most of the dads pushing the patriarchal agenda aren’t doing it out of some hyper masculine superego, they just want their kids to fit in. The really sad part is that it’s because they know what it’s like to not fit in. They perpetuate the trauma because they were traumatized.
Yeah maybe I missed the /s but I just wanted to show that body shaming and genital mutilation is fucked up and society’s (patriarchy) acceptance of it against men is pretty shitty overall. It would be much better if nobody got body shamed or mutilated non-consentually.
Yeah, I love how everyone loves “big dick energy” and “small dick energy”, but if someone said “loose pussy energy” and “tight pussy energy” it’s practically a hate crime lol.
Weewoo
Cleeerp cleeerp
Turn around and put your hands behind your back.
STOP RESISTING
Wait… We’re still arresting people for hate crimes?
From recent news I thought committing hate crimes and war crimes should get me a political appointment! I must be doing this wrong.
Hate crimes? No we just decided that your tattoo and lack of criminal record means that you’re a highly connected member of a Venezuela street gang, acting as a foreign operative and combatant on US soil.
Don’t say goodbye to your kids, they’re going with you, unless you can arrange for childcare for the foreseeable future in the next 2 minutes over the phone.
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Oh, and we would tack on a hate-crime charge, plus vulgarity for mentioning body parts in public, but you’re not getting a court date anyway, so don’t worry about those.
How about we just stop insulting anyone’s genitals instead?
That’s the point.
Stop molesting children would be my advice.
*mutilating
Yes of course, edited.
Thanks.Its actually both with traditional Jewish circumcision.
Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning)
When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual. After metzitzah b’peh, some babies can get an infection.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/safe-bris.page
Please be ChatGPT nonsense, please be ChatGPT nonsense. I’m not Googling that shit. :((((
I’m so sorry, it ain’t chatGPT nonsense. And it hits the news every now and then because the practitioners giving blowjobs to infants give them herpes, and the infants sometimes die - like on the ABC news article I linked from 2013.
Its beyond messed up that anyone is OK with it “because tradition”.
Yes the Jewish one is even more disgusting, but this was in a hospital, I hope they don’t have such practices there. 🤮
i believe one baby got oral herpes on the babies genitals that was passed to from the MOHEL.
As a Jewish person there are traditions and practices that are better abandoned
cut off usefull natural things without consent…win stupid prizes
It depends on the day for me whether increased sensitivity would be a good or bad thing for me. But that’s mental illness and the accompanying drugs for ya.
“It depends on the day whether more pleasure would be a good or bad thing for me”
That’s a more precise version of your statement, I think.
Im Not sure if sensitivity always equals pleasure
Which is why I think sensitivity is the wrong word.
But he’s talking about sensitivity not pleasure?
Regardless, I’m circumcised, and if I was more sensitive in most situations, I wouldn’t last long enough for my wife’s toy to push her over the edge (I can get her off without it, but I’m too big and she’ll be sore for a week.
Like, my prozac can be performance enhancing.
The subset that wants it removed could still get that done later, right? Those who don’t aren’t given the option. Putting it back is a bit more difficult.
It’s also preventative for some stds, iirc
I looked into this claim a couple of years ago. I couldn’t find any well executed study that showed this. It’s mainly a talking point that people who argue for circumcision claim is true, but I couldn’t find any scientific support for this.
I was unclear. Circumcision predisposes you to STD transmission iirc, but I also couldn’t find anything.
Because its the opposite actually. Circumcision reduces risk, inclusive of STIs as well as UTIs. Its a significant, but partial, reduction in risk. This has only been shown with PiV sexual activity and not with PiA sexual activity, which could be an important factor.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8579597/
Adult circumcision works out well, including for a family member who did it in his 30s due to severe phimosis (which is also linked to penile carcinoma).
I think the only appropriate answer to circumcision is not at birth, only for a clear medical need until they are an adult, and at that point it’s their decision.
But I doubt you’ll find anything peer reviewed that suggests an increase in STIs after circumcision, I’ve only ever seen the opposite, and I did a lot of reading on it before my son was born.
This is the correct way of looking at it. At birth should not be the time to do this… it should be done later in life, by the person’s own choosing.
Largely beneficial for UTIs, which is the leading infection in young boys. UTIs in young children are often hard to diagnose before spreading to the kidneys
Then later in life when getting too old to wash yourself the benefit returns again
Circumcision is barbaric and backwards
Religion doesn’t get a free pass either. Superstition is no basis for mutilating babies
America is one of the only places in the world that still thinks this disgraceful practice is OK.
All because they followed the ideas of a nutter who made cornflakes…
Shit’s fucked
Any cosmetic body alteration should only be done according to the will of the body-haver.
Poor little guy is brand new to the world and just wants sleep, warmth and food. Instead he gets this 💔
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At the will of the people who are supposed to be keeping him safe from harm…
But hey, on the plus side, they helped cure him of… I mean prevented… I mean…
What again?
I’m sure someone will jump in and mention hygiene, like we haven’t invented fucking soap some 3000 years ago…
FYI, in those 3000 years time, we have found another use for soap besides sticking your dick in it!
That’s not what I… nevermind. Wording matters. :D
