Finally in the truly permabanned club.
They have some type of ban detection. I use a VPN and bounce between logging into my different accounts.
Not for ban evasion but for doxxing, I don’t post personal info on my politics account, my hobby accounts are pretty open, etc.
I pissed off somebody and the sub reddit banned me. I go thru and filter that sub out of my accounts. Didnt think about other people using my wifi.
Buddy comes over and posts a single post in that sub. His account and ALL of my accounts are now permabanned.
The reason I know is they AI mod replied then deleted a post about ban evasion to him, so he knew the comment he made on what sub and we pieced it together.
The rest of the msgs I got from reddit made no sense as I didn’t post in the sub and until he mentioned the reply it all came together.
I would like to know how they are tracking me as I use a VPN. Kinda makes it useless if it doesn’t work as advertised. I put an appeal in, we know how thats going to go…
Updates to follow, not that I’m likely to stay on there. Maybe for my hobby subs.
Reddit doesn’t like doxxing evasion either. You know how right-wing politicians are pushing for “age verification” but everyone knows it’s really about chilling dissent and only one step removed from criminalizing inconvenient speech.
Reddit is on board with all that.
Yeah their banning system has become too aggressive. I’ve read quite a few stories like yours, where someone got a sitewide permaban, and if anybody else in the household happened to be using Reddit from that same network, they also caught the permaban on their own accounts too for ban evasion, even if their accounts had no connection whatsoever with the OP’s. It’s pretty ridiculous and they are becoming too ban happy like Facebook.
I will say the one great thing to come out of this is coming back to Lemmy. Its different but I’ll get used to it. I was on here previously just didnt take at the time.
In that case you might like to try out Piefed! It accesses the same threads as Lemmy and also the new Piefed instances as well, if you found Lemmy difficult to stick with due to the way it works it might be better for you. piefed.world is ran by the same people that setup lemmy.world.
I’ll check it out, I do say I like the lemmy old view vs the FB/New reddit feed. I just have to get out there and load up on all my favorite subject for the subscribed feed.
I never like endless reddit so thats not an issue.
But will check out piefed and see how its navigation is. Thank you!
Device fingerprint, browser ID, text and behavioral analysis and some more unknown things.
Basically you have to buy a new phone, make completely brand new google/apple users on that phone, never use your home WiFi for Reddit ever again, that IP is tainted permanently. Then make it appear that the phone has actual history instead of a just a blank slate. Then join Reddit, but don’t do anything atypical of a new user, otherwise you get shadowbanned aka not joining too many subs in rapid succession, not having full blown discussions. Basically laying low for a few weeks to months.
Wait so if I VM’ed it would likely trip off the behavioral analysis as I would blank out my history in every instance? Also probably the device finger print?
The world is getting Draconian.
Not in every instance, but a completely blank slate aka no browser ID and a new device fingerprint would be suspicious on it’s own. While it wouldn’t link it back to your old users, at least initially as the machine algorithm doesn’t have enough data yet. Doing anything that doesn’t really fit into a profile of a new user, will get you shadowbanned, but the appealing process for that doesn’t work. Artificial ageing could work as the detection algorithms ramp down after some time.
Yeah they have really ramped up detection and banning with new machine algorithms, starting somewhere late last year or beginning of this year.
Though there aren’t any official documents on how exactly it’s done, for obvious reasons thats kept as a secret. It’s mostly collated by user reports who have trial and error it to try to bypass detection and lots of googling and moderators reports.
So if you’re really bored you can try to refine it even more. Make a VM, create a fake history on it, make a reddit user, leave it marinate for few months, slowly start to interact and see what happens then. Just report back.
Not in every instance, but a completely blank slate aka no browser ID and a new device fingerprint would be suspicious on it’s own.
This makes sense and I like to write and have been on reddit well before the Digg exodus I can seeing that throwing up red flags
While it wouldn’t link it back to your old users, at least initially as the machine algorithm doesn’t have enough data yet. Doing anything that doesn’t really fit into a profile of a new user, will get you shadowbanned, but the appealing process for that doesn’t work. Artificial ageing could work as the detection algorithms ramp down after some time.
Again this makes sense, also old references like Aaron\the ratio (and I think it was in play as I made a recent comment on him) would label me an old fag.
Yeah they have really ramped up detection and banning with new machine algorithms, starting somewhere late last year or beginning of this year.
They started nuking all my accounts w/ no email, so I went Protos. They are working w/ reddit as they nuked one of my new emails w/ they need my state ID or its not usable. This is after I made a reddit account around about 20m before.
Though there aren’t any official documents on how exactly it’s done, for obvious reasons thats kept as a secret. It’s mostly collated by user reports who have trial and error it to try to bypass detection and lots of googling and moderators reports.
Well if I can figure out a way to sink their ship I would keep those cards close to the chest.
So if you’re really bored you can try to refine it even more. Make a VM, create a fake history on it, make a reddit user, leave it marinate for few months, slowly start to interact and see what happens then. Just report back.
I’ll try the VM next, I’ll piggy back on another wifi network to see if I can get it to fly. Or I’ll take the VMs on the road, old school WARDRIVING.
Good luck, just report back later. Kinda curious as well.
It will take a minute, I need to get some fresh PC from my old job. Then I need to build a proper test environment I don’t self sabotage by accident.
Also the digital finger print stuff, idk even know where to start.
Take your time, no rush.
VM or a different machine should already eliminate device fingerprint and as long as you don’t log in with any of your existing accounts to the new machines browser. Then there’s no history or cookies to carry over either. Obviously avoiding local network as well or at least masking it. At that point from Reddit perspective, you are just like a brand new person joining.
There’s a few ways I could think of to connect these things together
- Perfect VPN opsec is actually pretty hard to achieve, if you ever used the account when VPN wasn’t working they could get your local IP. Could be ipv6 wasn’t going through VPN, VPN wasn’t turned back on after a shutdown, VPN leaked IP, etc.
- Reddit likely has a unique browser fingerprint for you, if you used the same device to access two different accounts one on VPN and one off VPN they could still tie them together with a matching unique fingerprint across both accounts.
- If your buddy was using one of your devices same thing as above.
With perfect VPN usage and perfect opsec and complete separation of devices and accounts it is very unlikely they would have been able to correlate this activity.
OPSEC/COMSEC, acronyms I know all to well and its a a pain in the ass.
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Local IP is out as I use a VPN (that I no longer trust). I never run anything w/o it and I flip servers all the time (10-30x a day)
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This is where it falls down and I was going to go pure VM’s for reddit as I like to screw w/ certain groups. So the VPN hides the IP and the digital finger print is out as I clear everything when I shut down my VMs. So that works against me.
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Thats prolly what happened. He has logged in here enough to see the pattern.
They denied my appeal so its clandestine time because some groups on reddit need to be checked from time to time.
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Device fingerprinting, text analysis, IP
I’ve been screaming about “Text Analysis” since spell check became a thing. They all called me paranoid and I was BS they are making a database on your misspellings as thats an easy DB to put together.
Then South Park vindicated me on Emoji tracking. Yeah they dumbed it down, but we all got it.
